Stats Files - 2024

[spirit of norm smith 16,459]

Vs. Freo. Round 12 

With Gawn 

hitouts Dees  35-32 🆗

Clearances Freo 48-23💩💩

Centre clearance Freo 22-10💩💩

stoppages Freo 26-13 💩💩

 

[Watson11 2,240]

53 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

17 - 0 hit outs to advantage.  Good luck trying to defend and win a match with that.

That was always going to happen.  Even last time when Darcy and Jackson were up against Max they won 15 hit-outs to advantage against Max.  Our only chance was to crowd stoppages.

I was watching and counting numbers at stoppages at the start hoping we would crowd them and could not believe what I saw.  Below are the first 2 non CB stoppages.  What you can't see at the first is that Jordan Clark was 5m off to the left by himself and Darcy tapped it in that direction for an easy clearance.  No idea what Chandler and Throlstrup were doing.  The second boundary throw in shows it better as its wide angle. Freo brought their high half forward (Frederick) and we had to have Sparrow pick him up, meaning Freo just had numbers on the outside that could do what they liked.   

Then we reset at half time.  In the third we started crowding stoppages (see third stoppage). We have everyone there.  That worked better but the game was done by then.

 

 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

51 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

That was always going to happen.  Even last time when Darcy and Jackson were up against Max they won 15 hit-outs to advantage against Max.  Our only chance was to crowd stoppages.

I was watching and counting numbers at stoppages at the start hoping we would crowd them and could not believe what I saw.  Below are the first 2 non CB stoppages.  What you can't see at the first is that Jordan Clark was 5m off to the left by himself and Darcy tapped it in that direction for an easy clearance.  No idea what Chandler and Throlstrup were doing.  The second boundary throw in shows it better as its wide angle. Freo brought their high half forward (Frederick) and we had to have Sparrow pick him up, meaning Freo just had numbers on the outside that could do what they liked.   

Then we reset at half time.  In the third we started crowding stoppages (see third stoppage). We have everyone there.  That worked better but the game was done by then.

 

 

Regardless of set ups you need to neutralise a few and win a few hit outs to advantage Watson.  You could orchestrate a plus 2 all day at stoppages and still get pantsed giving them that much of an advantage.   We got absolutely trounced at the source due to having no one in the ruck that could compete a little.

It also doesn't help that players like Kozzy and Salem are seemingly giving up the outside and leaving their opponents to burst away too easily with the service they were being given.  Double wammy.

We play like an amature team every other match it seems.  There's a discipline / coaching / tactical issue in our side at the moment that's hanging around like a very bad fart that lingers and the windows still haven't been opened.

Pretty much ever since Freo stopped our 10 game winning streak in 2022.  Other sides are working us over tactically and in many other aspects far too easily.   On top of that we failed to ensure we maintained our structure up forward yesterday purely via selection which is a cardinal sin and also allowed the boys to be sucked up the field too high for pretty much the entire match.  If you can't win the ball at the source and getting pantsed, at least get big numbers behind the footy.  Defend there, seek the turnover and look to run it out by hand and foot.  Oh wait, we are one of the worst HB teams in the AFL and don't have many line breaking runners bar Windsor and occasionally Moniz (still building AFL tank) ... forget that idea!

I seriously fail to see where we are improving as a team this season and what assets / weapons we are a bringing to the table.  We play up one week then a hot mess the next.  Yes there are many youngens and they'll have off days but yesterday wasn't a result of just that.

Edited July 22 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 19, 2024 Optus Stadium - Dockers vs Demons

Not much to get excited about in this one.

May and McVee held up well in defence under the most extreme pressure, probably not seen since the last time we played this lot.

Following on from last week's uptick, Petty posted his best rating for the season coming in in 2nd place behind May.  His prior best against the Lions in Rnd 16 with a 3.12

Our team rating was a long way off the 2023 team rating, with Freo posting a team rating that matched our average last season.  Effectively a 21% gap between the two team's ratings.

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
S May	4.525	1	3.213	40.8
H Petty	4.050	2	2.718	49.0
J McVee	3.675	3	2.320	58.4
T McDonald	3.375	4	2.054	64.3
T Rivers	3.225	5	3.696	-12.7
J Bowey	3.000	6	2.820	6.4
C Oliver	2.950	7	5.002	-41.0
Ed Langdon	2.925	8	3.057	-4.3
Jack Viney	2.900	9	3.707	-21.8
J Billings > 41%	2.775	10	2.993	-7.3
J V Rooyen	2.375	11	2.170	9.4
C Windsor	2.275	12	-	-
K Chandler	2.275	13	2.265	0.4
J Lever	2.250	14	3.131	-28.1
A N-Bullen	2.100	15	2.532	-17.1
T Sparrow	1.950	16	2.811	-30.6
J Melksham	1.875	17	1.599	17.3
A M-Wakefield	1.850	18	-	-
C Salem	1.700	19	2.993	-43.2
B Fritsch	1.675	20	2.324	-27.9
K Pickett	1.125	21	2.101	-46.5
D Turner	0.475	22	1.825	-74.0
K Tholstrup < 43%	0.350	23	-	-
Team Score	55.33		69.86	-20.8
Top 6	21.85		24.43	-10.6
Bottom 6	8.70		15.17	-42.6

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Dockers

Player	Rating	Rank
A Brayshaw	6.400	1
C Serong	5.925	2
J Clark	4.975	3
Luke Ryan	4.750	4
H Young	4.325	5
J O'Meara	4.125	6
N Fyfe	3.450	7
S Darcy	3.125	8
C Wagner	3.050	9
M Walters	3.050	9
S Switkowski	3.000	11
J Treacy	2.950	12
Sam Sturt	2.425	13
Jye Amiss	2.350	14
B Walker	2.325	15
H Chapman	2.300	16
B Cox	2.050	17
B Banfield	2.025	18
A Pearce < 61%	1.925	19
J Sharp	1.725	20
M Frederick	1.600	21
L Jackson	1.575	22
J Aish > 32%	1.225	23
Team Rating	69.43
Top 6	30.50
Bottom 6	10.90

Combined Ratings

Player	Rating	Rank
A Brayshaw	6.400	1
C Serong	5.925	2
J Clark	4.975	3
Luke Ryan	4.750	4
S May	4.525	5
H Young	4.325	6
J O'Meara	4.125	7
H Petty	4.050	8
J McVee	3.675	9
N Fyfe	3.450	10
T McDonald	3.375	11
T Rivers	3.225	12
S Darcy	3.125	13
C Wagner	3.050	14
M Walters	3.050	14
J Bowey	3.000	16
S Switkowski	3.000	16
C Oliver	2.950	18
J Treacy	2.950	18
Ed Langdon	2.925	20
Jack Viney	2.900	21
J Billings > 41%	2.775	22
Sam Sturt	2.425	23
J V Rooyen	2.375	24
Jye Amiss	2.350	25
B Walker	2.325	26
H Chapman	2.300	27
C Windsor	2.275	28
K Chandler	2.275	28
J Lever	2.250	30
A N-Bullen	2.100	31
B Cox	2.050	32
B Banfield	2.025	33
T Sparrow	1.950	34
A Pearce < 61%	1.925	35
J Melksham	1.875	36
A M-Wakefield	1.850	37
J Sharp	1.725	38
C Salem	1.700	39
B Fritsch	1.675	40
M Frederick	1.600	41
L Jackson	1.575	42
J Aish > 32%	1.225	43
K Pickett	1.125	44
D Turner	0.475	45
K Tholstrup < 43%	0.350	46

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

[DeeZone 9,842]

That shows it all DD they had 10 of the top 14 players and by some margin, interesting that they scored at our 2023 team rate and we have fallen 20%. That’s one hell of a drop.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, DeeZone said:

That shows it all DD they had 10 of the top 14 players and by some margin, interesting that they scored at our 2023 team rate and we have fallen 20%. That’s one hell of a drop.

 

Not sure how much more Simon can get out of the regular group he sticks with anymore DZ.

I reckon alot are pretty much done mentally and physically.

Our engine room's done and dusted for 2024.

My take is, we aren't going to worry anyone even if we made finals.  So it's best to take anyone who needs some end of season surgery or fix ups out and do it now.

Put em under the knife if needed eg;  potentially Vines.

Replace with anyone from Casey be it Laurie, Sesto or brown Dog or just alternate over the weeks and may the best man win.  Not that i'm placing much faith in any of those bar Brown.

Manage the older fellas like May and T-Mac (IF he's continuing on into 25) by utilising the likes of Tommo and Marty as replacements.

Roll any other youngsters through that you want to trial further like Jeffo for Turner to see where he's at.

It's time to manage those we need to look after to prep them into next season, trial the youngsters and review all the off season crew including everyone in the FD.

A few changes might be needed there also.  We look as stale as a year old croissant and highly unskilled with our ball use in general against the better rated sides.

It's pretty obvious the present list is not going to take us to the promised land again so we may as well reset and prep for 2025 and beyond now.

Our recruiting needs to raise the bar on who we go after in terms of skill set as we have way too many hackers by hand & foot.  And / or it might also have something to do with training methods?  The gulf between us and the Dockers, especially by hand and their spread was immense yesterday and if anything it's gotten worse each time we play them.

Imagine getting into the top four and meeting a team like this, or even GWS on a good day in finals.  We are a long way off highly skilled teams with leg speed when they're putting up something near their best 22 atm.

Edited July 22 by Demon Dynasty

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

Melbourne v Greater Western Sydney (Round 20, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20242006

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	66.4	74.2	-7.9
Kicking Efficiency	61.8	66.1	-4.3
Metres Gained	5199	5530	-331
Inside 50s	49	53	-4
Shots At Goal	19	21	-2
Shots Per Inside 50	38.8	39.6	-0.8
Contested Possessions	137	141	-4
Ground Ball Gets	105	100	+5
Intercepts	78	72	+6
Intercept Marks	20	9	+11
Centre Clearances	12	14	-2
Stoppage Clearances	24	24	+0
Contested Marks	7	8	-1
Marks Inside 50	9	11	-2
Hitouts	28	38	-10
Hitouts To Advantage	6	12	-6
Tackles	57	63	-6
Tackles Inside 50	9	5	+4
Def One On One Loss %	17.6	25.0	-7.4

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	4	1	+3
Loose Ball Get	19	13	+6
Contested Mark	2	3	-1
Gather From Hitout	0	1	-1
Contested Knock On	0	1	-1
Free For	0	2	-2
Total	25	21	+4
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	2	3	-1
Loose Ball Get	13	21	-8
Ruck Hard Ball Get	4	0	+4
Gather From Hitout	2	1	+1
Free For	1	3	-2
Total	22	28	-6
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	12	9	+3
Loose Ball Get	54	59	-5
Contested Mark	7	8	-1
Contested Knock On	4	4	0
Free For	10	9	+1
Total	87	89	-2
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	14	4	+10
Loose Ball Get	25	28	-3
Ruck Hard Ball Get	5	3	+2
Gather From Hitout	4	10	-6
Contested Knock On	1	3	-2
Free For	1	4	-3
Total	50	52	-2

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	68.0	83	4	21%			+10.2
Greater Western Sydney	80.2	85	2	79%	+12.2	+2

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	19	12.7.79	63.2%	64.0	+15.0	3.37	+0.79
Greater Western Sydney	21	13.5.83	61.9%	78.2	+4.8	3.72	+0.23
General Play
Melbourne	11	7.4.46	63.6%	36.6	+9.4	3.33	+0.86
Greater Western Sydney	10	5.3.33	50.0%	36.1	−3.1	3.61	−0.31
Set Position
Melbourne	8	5.3.33	62.5%	27.4	+5.6	3.43	+0.70
Greater Western Sydney	11	8.2.50	72.7%	42.1	+7.9	3.82	+0.72

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	201	171	+30
2	185	207	-22
3	159	182	-23
4	178	200	-22
Match	180	189	-9

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Clayton Oliver	36	73	45.8
Alex Neal-Bullen	27	70	54.1
Kysaiah Pickett	27	67	43.4
Bailey Laurie	25	52	22.2
Kade Chandler	25	47	45.8
Caleb Windsor	23	44	33.6
Jack Viney	20	40	56.7
Jack Billings	18	35	23.8
Harrison Petty	16	33	30.2
Andy Moniz-Wakefield	15	32	33.2
Ed Langdon	15	29	31.0
Trent Rivers	13	29	28.7
Bayley Fritsch	14	25	16.2
Max Gawn	12	21	22.9
Taj Woewodin	9	19	13.6
Jake Bowey	8	17	17.2
Judd McVee	9	17	14.7
Jake Melksham	9	17	12.5
Jake Lever	8	14	14.6
Jacob van Rooyen	6	13	17.3
Steven May	4	12	10.1
Tom McDonald	3	7	19.9
Daniel Turner	4	7	13.5

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	65%	35%
2	44%	56%
3	34%	66%
4	54%	46%
Match	51%	49%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	0.0.0	1.0.6	-6
Centre Bounce	0.0.0	2.1.13	-13
Stoppage (Other)	4.3.27	5.2.32	-5
Turnover	8.8.56	5.4.34	+22

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	0	3.0	6	2.4
Centre Bounce	0	9.5	13	7.6
Stoppage (Other)	27	22.4	32	19.8
Turnover	56	44.1	34	48.2

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Greater Western Sydney.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	0	9.5	13	7.6
Kick-in	D50	0	3.0	6	2.4
Stoppage (Other)	D50	0	2.2	1	1.4
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	6	2.2	7	2.1
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	1	12.0	18	9.4
Stoppage (Other)	F50	20	6.1	6	6.9
Turnover	D50	13	8.8	7	8.5
Turnover	Centre	13	8.3	7	7.6
Turnover	Wing	7	19.6	13	25.8
Turnover	F50	23	7.3	7	6.2

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	13	14.0	14	12.4
Centre	19	19.9	27	17.3
Wing	8	31.6	31	35.3
F50	43	13.4	13	13.1

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	13	14.0	14	12.4
Defensive midfield	0	17.0	20	19.4
Centre bounce	0	9.5	13	7.6
Attacking midfield	27	25.1	25	25.6
Forward 50	43	13.4	13	13.1

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Greater Western Sydney.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
13	31.0	34	31.7

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Greater Western Sydney.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	25	86%	84.5%	64.9%
Jack Viney	24	83%	68.4%	72.1%
Clayton Oliver	23	79%	72.0%	81.4%
Trent Rivers	21	72%	24.0%	3.0%
Kysaiah Pickett	8	28%	36.9%	11.2%
Bailey Laurie	6	21%	8.3%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	5	17%	17.0%	2.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	4	14%	19.0%	7.6%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	9.3%	0.7%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.3%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Christian Petracca			55.8%	61.1%
Tom Sparrow			36.3%	44.9%
Christian Salem			14.7%	0.0%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Koltyn Tholstrup			1.2%
Lachie Hunter			0.0%	0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	72	79%	81.2%	57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen	16	18%	18.0%	13.1%
Harrison Petty	2	2%	9.0%	2.0%
Daniel Turner	1	1%	4.0%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.1%
Steven May	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.2%	2.3%
Christian Petracca			0.0%	0.4%
Tom Sparrow			0.0%	0.0%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	72	24	6	26.9%	30.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	16	4	0	24.4%	31.1%
Daniel Turner	1	0	0	50.0%
Harrison Petty	2	0	0	26.3%	25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Ben Brown				100.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca					100.0%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Kieren Briggs	72	36	11
Jake Riccardi	19	2	1

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 20, 2024 MCG - Demons vs Giants

It's been a long time since i can recall an MFC team taking the park where a player has not posted a rating above 4!  Without scouring through the records my guess is possibly 2019.

The entire team bar a few players (see below) has fallen right away from 2023 levels with no section (top 6, bottom 6 or the team as a whole) holding up.

Across the board a massive 25% drop away from our average 2023 rating in this match.  The bottom 6 player rating is a mega 54% away from 2023 levels.

Six of the first top ten rated players are Giants with only two of our boys. Lever & McVee cracking the top ten.

Laurie posting his highest rating (i think) in the red & blue was one positive outcome.  Chandler also hitting a high we haven't seen for some time.

At this rate i would hazard a guess that we'll be lucky to win any further games for the year, let alone make finals.  We may have a slim chance vs the Suns, depending on their form and/or injuries, but that would be about it imho.

Happy to stand by assessment earlier (above) that it is time to send any players who need it into surgery, play anyone who needs looking at from Casey like Jeffo and maybe Sestan to allow them to see what's required at the next level and also a chance for us to see where they're at.

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
J Lever	3.850	1	3.131	23.0
J McVee	3.650	2	2.320	57.3
K Chandler	3.525	3	2.265	55.6
S May	3.275	4	3.213	1.9
C Oliver	3.250	5	5.002	-35.0
M Gawn	3.100	6	3.350	-7.5
T Rivers	3.000	7	3.696	-18.8
B Laurie	3.000	7	2.235	34.2
Jack Viney	2.950	9	3.707	-20.4
A N-Bullen	2.650	10	2.532	4.7
K Pickett	2.650	10	2.101	26.1
J Bowey	2.325	12	2.820	-17.6
H Petty	2.225	13	2.718	-18.1
Ed Langdon	1.975	14	3.057	-35.4
T McDonald	1.950	15	2.054	-5.1
A M-Wakefield	1.750	16	-	-
T Woewodin	1.550	17	1.406	10.2
J V Rooyen	1.450	18	2.170	-33.2
C Windsor	1.450	18	-	-
J Melksham	1.175	20	1.599	-26.5
B Fritsch	1.000	21	2.324	-57.0
J Billings > 54%	0.400	22	-	-
D Turner < 26%	0.000	23	1.825	-100.0
Team Score	52.15		69.86	-25.4
Top 6	20.65		24.43	-15.5
Bottom 6	7.03		15.17	-53.7

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Giants

Player	Rating	Rank
L Whitfield	5.550	1
T Green	5.025	2
J Peatling	4.575	3
H Himmelberg	4.025	4
F Callaghan	4.000	5
J Buckley	3.925	6
T Bedford	3.850	7
B Daniels	3.725	8
K Briggs	3.650	9
T Greene	3.500	10
C Idun	3.325	11
L Ash	3.150	12
H Perryman	2.925	13
J Hogan	2.800	14
C Ward	2.775	15
X O'Halloran	2.275	16
H Thomas	2.150	17
T McMullin	1.950	18
D Jones	1.500	19
J Riccardi	1.275	20
S Taylor	0.975	21
A Cadman	0.300	22
Sam Sturt	0.000	23
Team Rating	67.23
Top 6	27.10
Bottom 6	8.15

 

Combined Ratings

Player	Rating	Rank
L Whitfield	5.550	1
T Green	5.025	2
J Peatling	4.575	3
H Himmelberg	4.025	4
F Callaghan	4.000	5
J Buckley	3.925	6
J Lever	3.850	7
T Bedford	3.850	7
B Daniels	3.725	9
J McVee	3.650	10
K Briggs	3.650	10
K Chandler	3.525	12
T Greene	3.500	13
C Idun	3.325	14
S May	3.275	15
C Oliver	3.250	16
L Ash	3.150	17
M Gawn	3.100	18
T Rivers	3.000	19
B Laurie	3.000	19
Jack Viney	2.950	21
H Perryman	2.925	22
J Hogan	2.800	23
C Ward	2.775	24
A N-Bullen	2.650	25
K Pickett	2.650	25
J Bowey	2.325	27
X O'Halloran	2.275	28
H Petty	2.225	29
H Thomas	2.150	30
Ed Langdon	1.975	31
T McMullin	1.950	32
T McDonald	1.950	33
A M-Wakefield	1.750	34
T Woewodin	1.550	35
D Jones	1.500	35
J V Rooyen	1.450	37
C Windsor	1.450	37
J Riccardi	1.275	39
J Melksham	1.175	40
B Fritsch	1.000	41
S Taylor	0.975	42
J Billings > 54%	0.400	43
A Cadman	0.300	44
D Turner < 26%	0.000	45
Sam Sturt	0.000	45

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited July 30 by Demon Dynasty

[DeeZone 9,842]

Thanks DD that is a shocker how did we get so close.👎

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

17 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD that is a shocker how did we get so close.👎

No idea DZ.  The effort appeared to be there from some and we were also pretty efficient with ball in hand and inside 50 when we did get in in there?  Do you have any theories?

We were also well behind the Bombers in many team ratings but managed to put them away.

Forgot to post the team metrics above which indicates we did ok in the efficiency stakes...

Scoring Efficiency	Demons	Giants
Disposals Per Goal	27.5	30.5
% In50s Goal	24.5	24.5
Conversion %	52.2	65.0

 

	Average Attributes
Melbourne	Attribute	GWS
186.4cm	Height	188.3cm
85.9kg	Weight	85.9kg

 

	Total Players By Games
Melbourne	Games	GWS
7	Less than 50	8
4	50 to 99	7
2	100 to 149	3
5	150 to 200	2
5	200 or more	3

[DeeZone 9,842]

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

No idea DZ.  The effort appeared to be there from some and we were also pretty efficient with ball in hand and inside 50 when we did get in in there?  Do you have any theories?

We were also well behind the Bombers in many team ratings but managed to put them away.

Forgot to post the team metrics above which indicates we did ok in the efficiency stakes...

Scoring Efficiency	Demons	Giants
Disposals Per Goal	27.5	30.5
% In50s Goal	24.5	24.5
Conversion %	52.2	65.0

 

	Average Attributes
Melbourne	Attribute	GWS
186.4cm	Height	188.3cm
85.9kg	Weight	85.9kg

 

	Total Players By Games
Melbourne	Games	GWS
7	Less than 50	8
4	50 to 99	7
2	100 to 149	3
5	150 to 200	2
5	200 or more	3

Thanks DD the only thing that comes to mind is our efficiency with ball in hand, maybe our better players do more with each disposal, we certainly didn’t rack up so many disposals chipping the ball around as they did it seemed our only desire was to get the ball forward and sometimes to our detriment.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

5 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD the only thing that comes to mind is our efficiency with ball in hand, maybe our better players do more with each disposal, we certainly didn’t rack up so many disposals chipping the ball around as they did it seemed our only desire was to get the ball forward and sometimes to our detriment.

I thought we slow played them a fair bit and with great effect in the first quarter and that kept the game on our terms DZ.

It also meant less ball / possession for them which meant less use by hand then spread etc which they are well ahead of us at atm unfortunately.

As the game progressed we moved away from the posession game a little more and started to attempt our own sling shotting.  At stages i felt we over did this or went too quickly when the best option was probably to balance that out with more slow play at times after starting to hand the ball back a litttle to much.

When we eventually ended up behind and needed to go fast, we started to do more slow play a few times too many.  The slow play in red time was especially inexplicable given we needed to hit the scoreboard quickly.

At this point i do not see a team that has a fairly straight forward plan that they're capable of executing for more than about 2 quarters or so DZ.  And certainly not capable of sustaining under lengthy periods of pressure from a quality opponent which you are going to get in most games at this level.

I suspect a combination of some missing pieces of the puzzle from a list management POV in recent times, potentially some mixed or poor messaging on the track, injuries catching up and also the ageing and maturing of some of our past greats.

Add to that the loss of Guss and the issues with Clarry and it all adds up to a season to forget.

Edited July 31 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 20, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

Player	2024 Rating	2024 Rank	2023 Rating	% Change vs 2023	2023 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca	4.476	1	4.707	-4.9	2	1
Max Gawn <	4.106	2	3.350	22.6	7	5
Steven May	3.723	3	3.213	15.9	8	5
C Oliver	3.489	4	5.002	-30.2	1	-3
T Rivers	3.424	5	3.696	-7.4	5	0
Jake Lever <	3.348	6	3.131	6.9	9	3
C Salem <	3.226	7	2.993	7.8	12	5
Jack Viney	3.153	8	3.707	-14.9	4	-4
Ed Langdon	3.057	9	3.057	0.0	10	1
Judd McVee	3.049	10	2.320	31.4	22	12
T McDonald	3.011	11	2.054	46.6	27	16
A N-Bullen	2.984	12	2.532	17.9	20	8
A Tomlinson	2.915	13	2.915	0.0	14	1
J Bowey <	2.525	14	2.820	-10.5	15	1
K Pickett	2.519	15	2.101	19.9	26	11
T Sparrow	2.408	16	2.811	-14.3	16	0
B Howes	2.348	17	-	-	-	-
J Billings < >	2.309	18	-	-	-	-
C Windsor <	2.275	19	-	-	-	-
M Hore	2.273	20	-	-	-	-
T Woewodin < >	2.251	21	1.406	60.1	34	13
K Chandler	2.218	22	2.265	-2.1	23	1
B Laurie < >	2.111	23	2.235	-5.5	24	1
J V Rooyen	2.103	24	2.170	-3.1	25	1
A M-Wakefield	2.060	25	-	-	-	-
J Melksham	1.913	26	1.599	19.6	32	6
L Hunter* <	1.838	27	2.939	-37.5	13	-14
B Fritsch	1.797	28	2.324	-22.7	21	-7
K Tholstrup	1.717	29	-	-	-	-
H Petty <	1.524	30	2.718	-43.9	19	-11
S McAdam*	1.483	31	-	-	-	-
Ben Brown <	1.391	32	1.941	-28.3	28	-4
D Turner	1.326	33	1.825	-27.3	31	-2
C Spargo*	1.200	34	1.886	-36.4	29	-5
J Schache*	0.700	35	1.525	-54.1	33	-2
K Brown* >	0.125	36	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	65.09		69.86	-6.8
Top 6	22.57		24.43	-7.6
Bottom 6	13.67		15.17	-9.9

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

Melbourne v Western Bulldogs (Round 21, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20242109

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	67.2	74.0	-6.8
Kicking Efficiency	64.0	64.3	-0.3
Metres Gained	5647	6474	-827
Inside 50s	39	65	-26
Shots At Goal	20	41	-21
Shots Per Inside 50	51.3	63.1	-11.8
Contested Possessions	135	135	+0
Ground Ball Gets	89	87	+2
Intercepts	55	70	-15
Intercept Marks	12	16	-4
Centre Clearances	11	13	-2
Stoppage Clearances	26	28	-2
Contested Marks	11	12	-1
Marks Inside 50	12	19	-7
Hitouts	47	40	+7
Hitouts To Advantage	16	11	+5
Tackles	63	57	+6
Tackles Inside 50	5	14	-9
Def One On One Loss %	100.0	40.0	+60.0

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	8	5	+3
Loose Ball Get	22	13	+9
Contested Mark	1	4	-3
Ruck Hard Ball Get	1	0	+1
Gather From Hitout	0	2	-2
Free For	2	6	-4
Total	34	30	+4
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	2	5	-3
Loose Ball Get	6	8	-2
Contested Mark	1	2	-1
Gather From Hitout	2	0	+2
Contested Knock On	1	0	+1
Free For	0	2	-2
Total	12	17	-5
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	12	15	-3
Loose Ball Get	43	39	+4
Contested Mark	11	12	-1
Contested Knock On	3	5	-2
Free For	6	16	-10
Total	75	87	-12
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	11	8	+3
Loose Ball Get	23	25	-2
Ruck Hard Ball Get	5	1	+4
Gather From Hitout	12	11	+1
Free For	9	3	+6
Total	60	48	+12

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	60.3	59	2	0%			+22.5
Western Bulldogs	133.7	110	2	100%	+73.5	+51

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	20	9.3.57	45.0%	58.3	−1.3	2.91	−0.06
Western Bulldogs	41	15.18.108	36.6%	131.7	−23.7	3.21	−0.58
General Play
Melbourne	7	2.1.13	28.6%	18.3	−5.3	2.62	−0.76
Western Bulldogs	17	3.9.27	17.6%	43.9	−16.9	2.58	−0.99
Set Position
Melbourne	13	7.2.44	53.8%	39.9	+4.1	3.07	+0.31
Western Bulldogs	24	12.9.81	50.0%	87.8	−6.8	3.66	−0.28

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	163	179	-16
2	200	177	+23
3	175	162	+13
4	151	184	-33
Match	172	176	-4

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Clayton Oliver	27	50	46.0
Tom Sparrow	23	50	44.2
Jack Viney	26	48	56.2
Alex Neal-Bullen	22	48	53.8
Koltyn Tholstrup	21	46	36.1
Trent Rivers	20	46	29.6
Ed Langdon	19	38	31.4
Kysaiah Pickett	17	35	42.9
Kade Chandler	14	30	45.0
Jacob van Rooyen	11	30	18.0
Andy Moniz-Wakefield	13	27	32.2
Judd McVee	12	27	15.3
Taj Woewodin	13	26	14.5
Jake Bowey	13	24	17.8
Max Gawn	9	21	22.8
Harrison Petty	10	20	29.6
Jake Lever	10	17	14.8
Jake Melksham	7	16	13.2
Tom McDonald	5	15	19.6
Blake Howes	5	7	16.5
Daniel Turner	3	6	12.8
Steven May	2	6	9.9
Bayley Fritsch	3	4	15.6

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	32%	68%
2	33%	67%
3	41%	59%
4	40%	60%
Match	36%	64%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	1.1.7	3.0.18	-11
Centre Bounce	0.1.1	0.2.2	-1
Stoppage (Other)	6.2.38	3.8.26	+12
Turnover	2.1.13	9.10.64	-51

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	7	3.2	18	3.2
Centre Bounce	1	9.1	2	7.3
Stoppage (Other)	38	23.2	26	20.1
Turnover	13	42.5	64	49.0

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Western Bulldogs.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	1	9.1	2	7.3
Kick-in	D50	7	3.2	18	3.2
Stoppage (Other)	D50	6	2.4	0	1.4
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	6	2.3	1	2.0
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	19	12.3	9	9.4
Stoppage (Other)	F50	7	6.2	16	7.3
Turnover	D50	6	8.7	15	8.8
Turnover	Centre	0	7.9	0	7.2
Turnover	Wing	1	18.7	35	26.3
Turnover	F50	6	7.2	14	6.6

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	19	14.2	33	13.4
Centre	7	19.3	3	16.6
Wing	20	31.0	44	35.7
F50	13	13.4	30	13.9

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	19	14.2	33	13.4
Defensive midfield	6	16.4	15	19.1
Centre bounce	1	9.1	2	7.3
Attacking midfield	20	24.8	30	25.8
Forward 50	13	13.4	30	13.9

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Western Bulldogs.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
25	30.7	48	32.5

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Western Bulldogs.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	24	86%	84.5%	64.9%
Jack Viney	18	64%	68.2%	72.1%
Tom Sparrow	18	64%	37.9%	44.9%
Clayton Oliver	17	61%	71.4%	81.4%
Trent Rivers	16	57%	25.8%	3.0%
Koltyn Tholstrup	9	32%	5.9%
Kysaiah Pickett	5	18%	35.8%	11.2%
Jacob van Rooyen	4	14%	18.7%	7.6%
Judd McVee	1	4%	0.2%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	16.1%	2.1%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	8.7%	0.7%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.3%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Christian Petracca			55.8%	61.1%
Christian Salem			14.7%	0.0%
Bailey Laurie			8.3%	0.0%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Lachie Hunter			0.0%	0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	86	82%	81.3%	57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen	19	18%	18.0%	13.1%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	8.4%	2.0%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	3.6%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.1%
Steven May	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.2%	2.3%
Christian Petracca			0.0%	0.4%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	86	44	15	27.4%	30.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	19	3	1	24.7%	31.1%
Daniel Turner	0	0	0	50.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0	0	26.3%	25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Ben Brown				100.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca					100.0%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Tim English	73	28	8
Sam Darcy	32	12	3

[titan_uranus 25,020]

@WheeloRatings when was the last time we had such a low percentage in our forward half?

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

@WheeloRatings when was the last time we had such a low percentage in our forward half?

I don't know - it is clearly our lowest since the start of 2021 based on my estimates and I don't have data pre-2021!

Here are Melbourne's lowest 20 matches for time in forward half since the start of 2021.

Season	Round	Team	Opposition	Forward Half
2024	21	Melbourne	Western Bulldogs	36.7%
2022	17	Melbourne	Geelong	40.0%
2023	10	Melbourne	Port Adelaide	40.1%
2024	10	Melbourne	West Coast	42.4%
2024	3	Melbourne	Port Adelaide	42.8%
2023	17	Melbourne	St Kilda	44.3%
2024	12	Melbourne	Fremantle	44.7%
2024	0	Melbourne	Sydney	45.5%
2024	19	Melbourne	Fremantle	45.5%
2024	1	Melbourne	Western Bulldogs	46.1%
2023	2	Melbourne	Brisbane	46.4%
2022	19	Melbourne	Western Bulldogs	46.7%
2022	2	Melbourne	Gold Coast	46.8%
2024	7	Melbourne	Richmond	47.0%
2023	5	Melbourne	Essendon	47.1%
2021	6	Melbourne	Richmond	47.3%
2023	6	Melbourne	Richmond	47.3%
2021	8	Melbourne	Sydney	47.5%
2024	15	Melbourne	North Melbourne	47.7%
2024	5	Melbourne	Brisbane	47.7%

 

It is actually the 22nd lowest time in forward half for any team since the start of 2021.

Season	Round	Team	Opposition	Forward Half
2022	16	North Melbourne	Geelong	30.1%
2021	20	Gold Coast	Melbourne	31.4%
2022	10	North Melbourne	Melbourne	32.0%
2024	4	North Melbourne	Brisbane	32.3%
2023	17	West Coast	Brisbane	34.2%
2023	18	Essendon	Geelong	34.3%
2023	10	West Coast	Hawthorn	34.5%
2021	17	Adelaide	Essendon	34.7%
2024	19	West Coast	St Kilda	35.1%
2022	18	North Melbourne	Richmond	35.5%
2022	3	North Melbourne	Brisbane	35.7%
2022	23	Hawthorn	Western Bulldogs	35.9%
2024	7	North Melbourne	Adelaide	36.1%
2022	17	West Coast	Carlton	36.2%
2021	23	North Melbourne	Adelaide	36.2%
2023	9	Essendon	Brisbane	36.3%
2023	24	West Coast	Adelaide	36.5%
2023	15	West Coast	Sydney	36.5%
2022	27	Sydney	Geelong	36.6%
2021	5	St Kilda	Richmond	36.6%
2022	11	West Coast	Western Bulldogs	36.6%
2024	21	Melbourne	Western Bulldogs	36.7%
2023	8	Essendon	Port Adelaide	36.7%
2023	14	North Melbourne	Western Bulldogs	36.7%

[titan_uranus 25,020]

Thanks @WheeloRatings . An absolute disaster for us. We are, right now at least, not able to play good football when the ball is stuck in our back half.  

[Rocknroll 1,004]

Does anyone measure broken tackles or missed tackles?

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

On 03/08/2024 at 18:50, Rocknroll said:

Does anyone measure broken tackles or missed tackles?

Yes Champion Data have a broken tackle stat but unfortunately not publicly available

[Rocknroll 1,004]

3 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Yes Champion Data have a broken tackle stat but unfortunately not publicly available

Thanks, reckon when we play well we stick our tackles. Without trac reckon we are breaking less. Love to see these numbers

[middleagedemon 325]

Where's binman to pull some gems from these stats and let us all know we're doomsdayers but we're precisely on track?! 

He's gone missing recently, this is his thread isn't it?! 

Edited August 5 by middleagedemon

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 21, 2024 Marvel - Bulldogs vs Demons

No comment! 

 

Scoring Efficiency	Bulldogs	Demons
Disposals Per Goal	24.6	34.9
% In50s Goal	23.1	23.1
Conversion %	42.9	65.0

	Average Attributes
Western Bulldogs	Attribute	Melbourne
189.6cm	Height	186.9cm
86.9kg	Weight	86.6kg
26yr 6mth	Age	25yr 7mth
116.9	Games	113.3

 

	Total Players By Games
Western Bulldogs	Games	Melbourne
4	Less than 50	7
7	50 to 99	5
4	100 to 149	2
4	150 to 200	4
4	200 or more	5

 

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
T Rivers	4.625	1	3.696	25.1
J Bowey	4.275	2	2.820	51.6
M Gawn	4.100	3	3.350	22.4
C Oliver	2.975	4	5.002	-40.5
T Sparrow	2.950	5	2.811	4.9
Ed Langdon	2.525	6	3.057	-17.4
J V Rooyen	2.425	7	2.170	11.8
K Tholstrup	2.300	8	-	-
J McVee	2.200	9	2.320	-5.2
J Lever	2.150	10	3.131	-31.3
B Howes	1.925	11	2.235	-13.9
A N-Bullen	1.875	12	2.532	-25.9
Jack Viney	1.850	13	3.707	-50.1
S May < 40%	1.800	14	3.213	-44.0
H Petty	1.800	14	2.718	-33.8
T McDonald	1.525	16	2.054	-25.8
T Woewodin	1.500	17	1.406	6.7
K Chandler	1.475	18	2.265	-34.9
K Pickett	1.475	18	2.101	-29.8
A M-Wakefield	1.300	20	-	-
B Fritsch	1.225	21	2.324	-47.3
D Turner > 51%	0.575	22	1.825	-68.5
J Melksham	0.250	23	1.599	-84.4
Team Score	48.85		69.86	-30.1
Top 6	21.45		24.43	-12.2
Bottom 6	7.55		15.17	-50.2

< Subbed out TOG %

> Subbed in TOG %

 

Bulldogs

Player	Rating	Rank
M Bontempelli	6.200	1
A Treloar	5.800	2
B Dale	4.850	3
R Lobb	4.300	4
L Bramble	4.300	4
C Poulter	4.125	6
B Williams	4.075	7
T English	4.000	8
T Liberatore < 63%	3.725	9
J U-Hagan	3.500	10
C Weightman	3.125	11
R Garcia	3.050	12
Sam Darcy	2.750	13
L Jones	2.650	14
Ed Richards	2.475	15
L Vandermeer	2.200	16
R West	1.850	17
B Khamis	1.750	18
A Naughton	1.600	19
T Duryea	1.600	19
C Daniel > 19%	1.425	21
N Coffield	1.150	22
L McNeil	1.100	23
Team Rating	70.50
Top 6	29.58
Bottom 6	9.38

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited August 5 by Demon Dynasty

[DeeZone 9,842]

50 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 21, 2024 Marvel - Bulldogs vs Demons

No comment! 

 

Scoring Efficiency	Bulldogs	Demons
Disposals Per Goal	24.6	34.9
% In50s Goal	23.1	23.1
Conversion %	42.9	65.0

	Average Attributes
Western Bulldogs	Attribute	Melbourne
189.6cm	Height	186.9cm
86.9kg	Weight	86.6kg
26yr 6mth	Age	25yr 7mth
116.9	Games	113.3

 

	Total Players By Games
Western Bulldogs	Games	Melbourne
4	Less than 50	7
7	50 to 99	5
4	100 to 149	2
4	150 to 200	4
4	200 or more	5

 

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
T Rivers	4.625	1	3.696	25.1
J Bowey	4.275	2	2.820	51.6
M Gawn	4.100	3	3.350	22.4
C Oliver	2.975	4	5.002	-40.5
T Sparrow	2.950	5	2.811	4.9
Ed Langdon	2.525	6	3.057	-17.4
J V Rooyen	2.425	7	2.170	11.8
K Tholstrup	2.300	8	-	-
J McVee	2.200	9	2.320	-5.2
J Lever	2.150	10	3.131	-31.3
B Howes	1.925	11	2.235	-13.9
A N-Bullen	1.875	12	2.532	-25.9
Jack Viney	1.850	13	3.707	-50.1
S May < 40%	1.800	14	3.213	-44.0
H Petty	1.800	14	2.718	-33.8
T McDonald	1.525	16	2.054	-25.8
T Woewodin	1.500	17	1.406	6.7
K Chandler	1.475	18	2.265	-34.9
K Pickett	1.475	18	2.101	-29.8
A M-Wakefield	1.300	20	-	-
B Fritsch	1.225	21	2.324	-47.3
D Turner > 51%	0.575	22	1.825	-68.5
J Melksham	0.250	23	1.599	-84.4
Team Score	48.85		69.86	-30.1
Top 6	21.45		24.43	-12.2
Bottom 6	7.55		15.17	-50.2

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Bulldogs

Player	Rating	Rank
M Bontempelli	6.200	1
A Treloar	5.800	2
B Dale	4.850	3
R Lobb	4.300	4
L Bramble	4.300	4
C Poulter	4.125	6
B Williams	4.075	7
T English	4.000	8
T Liberatore < 63%	3.725	9
J U-Hagan	3.500	10
C Weightman	3.125	11
R Garcia	3.050	12
Sam Darcy	2.750	13
L Jones	2.650	14
Ed Richards	2.475	15
L Vandermeer	2.200	16
R West	1.850	17
B Khamis	1.750	18
A Naughton	1.600	19
T Duryea	1.600	19
C Daniel > 19%	1.425	21
N Coffield	1.150	22
L McNeil	1.100	23
Team Rating	70.50
Top 6	29.58
Bottom 6	9.38

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Well DD those stats Bare out just how good Doggies were and apart from our best 6-8 players just how shizen we were, it was so hard to watch.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

11 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Well DD those stats Bare out just how good Doggies were and apart from our best 6-8 players just how shizen we were, it was so hard to watch.

Bar Rivers entre' into the midfield and the progress of Windsor there hasn't been much to get excited about this season DZ.

70.5 is a big team rating for the Dogs and roughly where we were at in some matches in 2021.  We averaged 67.2 in the H&A season that year and posted a 69.5 in the GF

Daniels, with only 19% game time, pretty much matched the ratings of our two key small forwards in Pickett & Chandler!

Obviously they probably didn't get the service with inside 50s but regardless, we are nowhere near the level both in a form and a work rate sense since Round 9 vs the Blues which was three months ago now.

Combined Ratings

Player	Rating	Rank
M Bontempelli	6.200	1
A Treloar	5.800	2
B Dale	4.850	3
T Rivers	4.625	4
R Lobb	4.300	5
L Bramble	4.300	5
J Bowey	4.275	7
C Poulter	4.125	8
M Gawn	4.100	9
B Williams	4.075	10
T English	4.000	11
T Liberatore < 63%	3.725	12
J U-Hagan	3.500	13
C Weightman	3.125	14
R Garcia	3.050	15
C Oliver	2.975	16
T Sparrow	2.950	17
Sam Darcy	2.750	18
L Jones	2.650	19
Ed Langdon	2.525	20
Ed Richards	2.475	21
J V Rooyen	2.425	22
K Tholstrup	2.300	23
L Vandermeer	2.200	24
J McVee	2.200	24
J Lever	2.150	26
B Howes	1.925	27
A N-Bullen	1.875	28
Jack Viney	1.850	29
R West	1.850	29
S May < 40%	1.800	31
H Petty	1.800	31
B Khamis	1.750	33
A Naughton	1.600	34
T Duryea	1.600	34
T McDonald	1.525	36
T Woewodin	1.500	37
K Chandler	1.475	38
K Pickett	1.475	38
C Daniel > 19%	1.425	40
A M-Wakefield	1.300	41
B Fritsch	1.225	42
N Coffield	1.150	43
L McNeil	1.100	44
D Turner > 51%	0.575	45
J Melksham	0.250	46

Edited August 5 by Demon Dynasty

[layzie 33,805]

17 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Yes Champion Data have a broken tackle stat but unfortunately not publicly available

Like so many other hidden stats they have 'locked away' in their safe.

So annoying and I'm convinced they have a deal with the broadcasters so those of us who like stats will still listen to carp commentary and media shows.