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On 11/6/2020 at 9:34 PM, Half forward flank said:

I feel the coaching group has to have some diverse methods of coaching to get the players to do the non negotiables all the time. Now, that can mean different approaches to different players to achieve the same result. In that area I feel Goodwin is still learning and feeling his way.  He knows what the outcomes should be but doesnt know yet how to get individual players to achieve them for team success. 

so he still isnt a good enough coach even after all of his development

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    The only person on the administration and coaching panel that has any idea of sustained success in the past 20 yrs is Yze.

    We continue to pick 1st time coaches, assistants and assorted admin staff that don't know what success looks like.

    Is it any wonder we flounder as a middle rate - and that's being generous - team?

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    I’m not sure this entirely fair, or accurate.

    Paul Roos hardly fits this category and he built a very good team around him during his time at the club.

    He was also instrumental in designing the process for selecting the next senior coach (his successor), and then actually selecting that coach (Goodwin).

    That said, I’m not yet convinced about Goodwin. I personally find it weird that I still haven’t worked out what I think of him as a coach (i.e. whether I think he’s a good coach or not). Friends who support other clubs ask me what Goodwin’s like as a coach - and my response is typically, “ ... to be honest, I dunno”.

    I’m not impressed with aspects I’ve observed about his coaching, such as his game day decisions, his use of players not in the most obvious positions, and his ability (well, failure) to get the list to consistently execute the game plan including fixing the forward line connectivity problems.

    Against this, the players seem to rate him, he receives a lot of compliments from former players (eg, Lewis, whose opinion I rate), and it seems the club’s hierarchy also rate him.

    There’s no doubt 2021 is a very big season for him though.

    I really hope he’s the real deal, but (like many here) I’m still on the fence.

     

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    20 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

    I’m not sure this entirely fair, or accurate.

    Paul Roos hardly fits this category and he built a very good team around him during his time at the club.

    He was also instrumental in designing the process for selecting the next senior coach (his successor), and then actually selecting that coach (Goodwin).

    That said, I’m not yet convinced about Goodwin. I personally find it weird that I still haven’t worked out what I think of him as a coach (i.e. whether I think he’s a good coach or not). Friends who support other clubs ask me what Goodwin’s like as a coach - and my response is typically, “ ... to be honest, I dunno”.

    I’m not impressed with aspects I’ve observed about his coaching, such as his game day decisions, his use of players not in the most obvious positions, and his ability (well, failure) to get the list to consistently execute the game plan including fixing the forward line connectivity problems.

    Against this, the players seem to rate him, he receives a lot of compliments from former players (eg, Lewis, whose opinion I rate), and it seems the club’s hierarchy also rate him.

    There’s no doubt 2021 is a very big season for him though.

    I really hope he’s the real deal, but (like many here) I’m still on the fence.

     

    Roos was easier to judge from the outside. He’s the kinda guy who as a supporter you wanted to pull the boots on for.

    Goodwin clearly isn’t of that mould. Whatever his leadership qualities they are clearly more subtle and better judged from the inner circle.

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    On 11/7/2020 at 11:02 AM, Better days ahead said:

    This board have credits in the bank.

    Their collective track record over the last 5 or 6 decades says otherwise (in terms of the football side of things)

    I'd more call their record abysmal. Norm Smith argued with them constantly yet despite not being supported in the way that he should have been,  he won (a lot)

    And we usually get the same type of board ... 1 or 2 stand down every now and again replaced by other like-minded types

    On 11/7/2020 at 11:02 AM, Better days ahead said:

    Sort your s**t out Goodwin or else.

    If you think our only issue is Goodwin you are sadly mistaken.

    Our problems often constantly run deep from Board level down. 

    And how about the players themselves take a bit of responsibility (Freo,  Swans) ... as soon as it gets tough they give up.

    The whole club needs a shake-up.  All the Coaches,  Admin & Board.  And the playing list

    Change the coach and the same problems stay. 

    In fact,  that's what we do.  We keep sacking coaches expecting things to change

    Goodwin may not be the world's greatest coach but he can't hold their hands

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    On 11/6/2020 at 9:17 PM, Biffen said:

    We're good at The Chaos.

    Not so good at control.

    If I see another quarter like we had against Sydeny or Freo (when our seasonwas on the line) I want him gone.

    No more Simon the Likeable.

    He's had a fair shake 

    Great post Biffen, captured the comedic adventures of our club to a tee.

    Our devoted coach has the personality of Hymie, with the subtlety of Siegfried.

    What we need is the planning of Thaddeus and pray if we make a GF we don't ever say "missed it by that much".

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    2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

    I’m not sure this entirely fair, or accurate.

    Paul Roos hardly fits this category and he built a very good team around him during his time at the club.

    He was also instrumental in designing the process for selecting the next senior coach (his successor), and then actually selecting that coach (Goodwin).

    That said, I’m not yet convinced about Goodwin. I personally find it weird that I still haven’t worked out what I think of him as a coach (i.e. whether I think he’s a good coach or not). Friends who support other clubs ask me what Goodwin’s like as a coach - and my response is typically, “ ... to be honest, I dunno”.

    I’m not impressed with aspects I’ve observed about his coaching, such as his game day decisions, his use of players not in the most obvious positions, and his ability (well, failure) to get the list to consistently execute the game plan including fixing the forward line connectivity problems.

    Against this, the players seem to rate him, he receives a lot of compliments from former players (eg, Lewis, whose opinion I rate), and it seems the club’s hierarchy also rate him.

    There’s no doubt 2021 is a very big season for him though.

    I really hope he’s the real deal, but (like many here) I’m still on the fence.

     

    The only person on the administration and coaching panel that has any idea of sustained success in the past 20 yrs is Yze.

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    On 11/6/2020 at 2:40 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

    The Coach will be gone midseason if we are not winning games. 
    like you, I would prefer him to succeed 

     

    It has been suggested that the Coach will be gone midseason if we are not winning (but is that the only measure?) If that is to be the case, I'd support it, strongly. If 'the old excuse trail' prevails, once again, most supporters will be devastated and non-supportive of the Club, I'd suggest. Any unsuccessful game, series of games, longer poor elements of the fixture from the MFC point of view must be met with a ruthless and sacrificing Board decision to rid us of an unsuccessful Coach. Last legs, in other words, for Goodwin. 

     

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    4 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

    It has been suggested that the Coach will be gone midseason if we are not winning

    Suggested by who?

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    14 hours ago, bing181 said:

    Suggested by who?

    SWYL, two posts upwards. 

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