1 hour ago, old dee said:

I just don't see the mad hunger to kick goals that good KPF shows e.g. I think it was the last game against Essendon he takes the ball 20 metres out from Goal no one behind or in front of him instead of kicking the goal he hand passes to Hunt who runs in and kicks the goal. Every Good KPF I know does not hand off those goals they kick them, they want the goal against their name and believe no one can do it better than me. I just don't see That hunger in the Weid. I just don't see him demanding the ball.

I don’t think Tom Hawkins has ever kicked a goal in a situation like that in the last 5 years. The best players know bringing team mates in to the game is worth more than stats.

Key forwards shouldn’t pass off set shots unless someone is wide open, their job is to nail them. It’s actually selfish not to take responsibility. But running in to open goal the ball should be shared. 

Lockett and Coventry combined would’ve struggled to kick a goal in Cairns. On both occasions Weid had to come up the ground because Preuss and Brown weren’t contesting well.

Neither was Sam, but the delivery was all at sea and his legs had clearly had enough.

I really believe he’s ready to be the man now and we should back him in. He’s shown he has the hands to clunk marks, his legs and core strength are coming in. 

still think he's vital to our side going forward

love his workrate, and so much seems to be about above the shoulders with sam

28 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I don’t think Tom Hawkins has ever kicked a goal in a situation like that in the last 5 years. The best players know bringing team mates in to the game is worth more than stats.

Key forwards shouldn’t pass off set shots unless someone is wide open, their job is to nail them. It’s actually selfish not to take responsibility. But running in to open goal the ball should be shared. 

Hawkins is no where as mobile of the Weid. I don't ever see him being forcefull. What I see is a guy who is just too nice.

2 hours ago, old dee said:

Hawkins is no where as mobile of the Weid. I don't ever see him being forcefull. What I see is a guy who is just too nice.

Going to Victoria Park for two games in the late 50's, early sixties, a year, does that to you......from what i can remember.

13 hours ago, Dr.D said:

no idea who you're watching. Weideman goes hard at it.

He's a joel selwood when compared to Jack Watts yet for some reason fans dislike Weideman. it's crazy. Weideman is fine. He's playing solo in a team that kicks it to him like [censored], a coach who probably puts him to sleep and he has senior 'mentors' like tom McDonald who he is better than and his past mentors in Hogan who have gone nowhere.  when we have guys like Fritsch kicking behinds all day Weideman kicks a lot of goals in the goal square. its valuable. And so is he. 

He is better than TMac now, but he can only dream of having a year like TMac had in 2018.

3 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

still think he's vital to our side going forward

love his workrate, and so much seems to be about above the shoulders with sam

Yes he is vital but how much of that is  because there is no one else? As I have said I just don't see him as the no.1 banana.

Edited October 21, 20205 yr by old dee

4 hours ago, poita said:

Strides forward? Maybe baby steps.

I'm still not convinced he has the burning desire to be a top quality AFL footballer. He seems to be happy coasting along, putting together a so-so 10 year career at a so-so club.

[censored] me man, that is totally disrespectful.

Where is the evidence that he coasts? What are his 'non coasting' benchmarks?

Have you set personal benchmarks that you know he can reach, but you haven't let him know? Are you in a role within the AFL and you know what he should be hitting and how he trains, and then how that corresponds to his benchmarks?

If that is the case, can you please detail them below, so I can assess him with more accuracy please.

Thanks in advance.

 

 

1 hour ago, loges said:

He is better than TMac now, but he can only dream of having a year like TMac had in 2018.

 

So? i never said he would match tmacs 2018.not many in the afl were better than Tmacs 2018.  

I thought this was interedting:

Weideman was "the target inside 50 on 93 occasions, taking 25 marks in the arc".

That put him 10th in the league for marks inside 50 third year per game.

He is also holding on to more than 1 in 4 marking attempts in the forward 50.

He kicked 19.8 and 5 goal assists. I can't remeber many shots from outside 50. So be is converting from those opportunities.

He was 17th in goals per game with 1.46. Only 6 players were above 1.8. (Jayden Hunt snuck in with 1.67 from 6 games).

 

It would be nice if he was Hawkins or Kennedy, but outside of the top 3-4, he was statistically on par with the next group in 2020.

 

We have a lot more worries then Weideman.

 

 

7 hours ago, old dee said:

I just don't see the mad hunger to kick goals that good KPF shows e.g. I think it was the last game against Essendon he takes the ball 20 metres out from Goal no one behind or in front of him instead of kicking the goal he hand passes to Hunt who runs in and kicks the goal. Every Good KPF I know does not hand off those goals they kick them, they want the goal against their name and believe no one can do it better than me. I just don't see That hunger in the Weid. I just don't see him demanding the ball.

Thanks @old dee for reminding me that when people watch the same thing, the interpretation can be markedly different.

Perhaps it's a generational thing. 

Bringing other players into the game.. .not being selfish, they're all attributes of the modern day player.

12 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Thanks @old dee for reminding me that when people watch the same thing, the interpretation can be markedly different.

Perhaps it's a generational thing. 

Bringing other players into the game.. .not being selfish, they're all attributes of the modern day player.

Granted but at the end of the day kicking goals is what wins games. And when you lose by one or two goals and your kpf kicks none it is not a good look. What is the major requirement of a kpf? IMO to kick goals. The good ones do and you then win more than you lose . 

Edited October 21, 20205 yr by old dee

10 minutes ago, old dee said:

Granted but at the end of the day kicking goals is what wins games. And when you lose by one or two goals and your kpf kicks none it is not a good look. What is the major requirement of a kpf? IMO to kick goals. The good ones do and you then win more than you lose . 

But he was 17th in the comp in goals per game, and before the last month (an admottedly poor patch played in wet conditions and at the end of 13 games in 11 weeks) he was in the top ~7, and he only had 5 goal assists this year,  so didn't give that many off...

26 minutes ago, old dee said:

Granted but at the end of the day kicking goals is what wins games. And when you lose by one or two goals and your kpf kicks none it is not a good look. What is the major requirement of a kpf? IMO to kick goals. The good ones do and you then win more than you lose . 

You're stuck in the 90's or 80's or 70's or whatever. Yes, key forwards do have to kick goals. But anything more than 2 goals a game per average this year is as good as it gets. Even last year in full game length 2.5 goals is a great result. No one is averaging 5 goals a game and kicking 100 goals.

So what you do for 100 minutes (or 80) has to be more important than the 2 times it goes right and you nail a goal. That mostly means getting to the right spots and contesting in the air so the defenders don't mark then staying involved at ground level. 

Lynch and Riewoldt combined for 2 goals in a winning prelim. Hawkins kicked 2. Big numbers of goals rarely happen in finals. 

 

 

We are still a KPF short but that’s not news to anyone and doesn’t lessen Weid’s long term value. There were some very promising signs this year. On his current trajectory he’s in for a big 2021.

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

 

So? i never said he would match tmacs 2018.not many in the afl were better than Tmacs 2018.  

No, but the thing is, we need him to get up to around that mark. 40 goals would be great, but I'm not seeing it.

47 minutes ago, loges said:

No, but the thing is, we need him to get up to around that mark. 40 goals would be great, but I'm not seeing it.

Me neither and just when we needed at the end of the season zero from two games against worse sides than us.