The 2020 Trade Period

[dino rover 714]

After seeing the success of different talls in the finals so far (Cox, Cameron, King, Ryder) Interested if we don't consider what is tall in a key defender or forward?

Max King, Ben King, Harry McKay, Cameron / Cox, Hipwood, Danniher, Dixon at or above 2m and Buddy, Hawkins, Elliott Himmelberg (Crows / never heard of) at 198/199

That leaves Hawthorn, Melbourne, Giants without a super tall (Cameron at 196)

May 193, Lever 195  OMac 196 and Petty 197 are going to be increasingly challenged by this height. There are mid fielders at 193 now (or close), Lever doesn't have the physique to go with a super tall, OMac is probably gone and Petty is spoken of as a future forward. Weed 195 and Brown 196 aren't that tall any more.

Of course there are good, bad and indifferent talls and conditions matter (the wet) but do we need a tall forward or if Petty is going forward a tall defender?

[Witches Hat 451]

23 minutes ago, dino rover said:

After seeing the success of different talls in the finals so far (Cox, Cameron, King, Ryder) Interested if we don't consider what is tall in a key defender or forward?

Max King, Ben King, Harry McKay, Cameron / Cox, Hipwood, Danniher, Dixon at or above 2m and Buddy, Hawkins, Elliott Himmelberg (Crows / never heard of) at 198/199

That leaves Hawthorn, Melbourne, Giants without a super tall (Cameron at 196)

May 193, Lever 195  OMac 196 and Petty 197 are going to be increasingly challenged by this height. There are mid fielders at 193 now (or close), Lever doesn't have the physique to go with a super tall, OMac is probably gone and Petty is spoken of as a future forward. Weed 195 and Brown 196 aren't that tall any more.

Of course there are good, bad and indifferent talls and conditions matter (the wet) but do we need a tall forward or if Petty is going forward a tall defender?

Luke Jackson 198cm

[adonski 12,427]

2 minutes ago, Witches Hat said:

Luke Jackson 198cm

201cm with boots on and a strong wind 

[Demon Disciple 12,273]

2 minutes ago, Witches Hat said:

Luke Jackson 198cm

for the moment.

[dino rover 714]

Quite right it will be interesting to see his development.

[Wunders 397]

22 minutes ago, dino rover said:

After seeing the success of different talls in the finals so far (Cox, Cameron, King, Ryder) Interested if we don't consider what is tall in a key defender or forward?

Max King, Ben King, Harry McKay, Cameron / Cox, Hipwood, Danniher, Dixon at or above 2m and Buddy, Hawkins, Elliott Himmelberg (Crows / never heard of) at 198/199

That leaves Hawthorn, Melbourne, Giants without a super tall (Cameron at 196)

May 193, Lever 195  OMac 196 and Petty 197 are going to be increasingly challenged by this height. There are mid fielders at 193 now (or close), Lever doesn't have the physique to go with a super tall, OMac is probably gone and Petty is spoken of as a future forward. Weed 195 and Brown 196 aren't that tall any more.

Of course there are good, bad and indifferent talls and conditions matter (the wet) but do we need a tall forward or if Petty is going forward a tall defender?

I'm interested to see if Jackson can be that tall forward (we did well this year with him in and hes 200cm). Anyway I think there are some other factors that may be as important as pure height measured from feet to top of head:

• Wing/arm span - you could be the same height as the guy next to you, but if their reach is an extra 5-10 cm... There is a lot of variation in players wing span hence reach. I think Hogan had longer arms relative to height.
• Jump height - can have a tall who can't jump much, vs a guy a few cm shorter who can explode and jump an extra 20cm.. Think mcgovern from west coast as a good example of someone a little shorter but does well on taller opponents due to jump.

Also some other things that could influence:

• Shoulder width - weid has big shoulders making it harder to spoil around / defender has to go over them and more chance of giving away a free (if they ever paid it), compared to say Hipwood from the lions who has 0 shoulders.
• how a person's head/neck contributes to height. I see a few players with long necks and that may give them a few extra cm's in overall height, but does nothing else from a performance point of view as their arms are starting from a lower point on their body (just an interesting observation).
  • Think Blakey for both of these.

Interesting to consider anyway :) go dees!

 

[Crystal Dees 372]

I may have the answer

[Axis of Bob 11,841]

2 hours ago, dino rover said:

After seeing the success of different talls in the finals so far (Cox, Cameron, King, Ryder) Interested if we don't consider what is tall in a key defender or forward?

The other interesting thing is that the Qualifying finals (with the top 4 teams) were dominated by the small forwards, whilst the Elimination finals (5th - 8th) were dominated by the talls.

It'll be interesting to see how that plays itself out over the remaining finals.

[dino rover 714]

Ben brown for nm as well for now

[Lucifers Hero 40,358]

A good article on how FA and trade negotiations are changing. trade-lessons-not-at-any-price

"We have entered the era of the conditional commitment, the era of clubs saying to players we want you but not at any price".

" Essendon were forced to adopt the new mantra...when they were told what it would take to get Josh Dunkley in the door...There is a legitimate criticism that once the Bombers made promises to Dunkley, they needed to go harder in trading for him"

Key FA Lessons:

"...unrestricted free agents are more valuable than ever now that clubs are more pragmatic and open to matching...".

"...to secure a first-round draft pick as compensation, clubs need to offer at least $800,000 a year on a contract".

"More clubs after the Cameron trade will approach free agency differently.  The conversation with prospective free agents will now begin “we want you but not at any price". Or put differently, they'll say we want you but we are not trading for you, we will have you if we get you for nothing".

Lets hope the AFL doesn't upset this by changing the FA matching rules.  The AFLPA will be pushing for anything that enables players to get where they want as easily as possible.

I like that that player's existing clubs are taking tough stands.  For too long it has been been players calling the shots and holding all the cards.

Edited November 16, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero