Massive punt to play PJ at CHF?

Please tell me the last time Miller had a good game in that position? Picking Miller at CHF instead of PJ is a much more massive punt because Miller has failed spectacularly in the last two years and there has not been one shred of evidence that he has turned his form around this preseason.

I'm no Miller fan, but he is a favourite of ND's. If you read my post you would have noticed that I didn't include Miller in my best 22.

PJ is a short ruckman who can't mark. It is a punt because it's never been done before.

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Hence why the calls for PJ to play CHF will not happen, because it is a massive punt (Might work, but more than likely to fail spectacularly). Its easy for us to call for it from the comfort of our computer chairs, but much harder for ND and Co to make that sort of call because they have 6-figure salaries, and 4 Premiership points, riding on their decisions.

Hence why, against popular opinion, Yze and Miller will both play. Holland will definitely play (and rightly so).

Playing PJ at CHF was done against Carlton 1st round last year. What a disaster. If he is a short ruckman that cant mark. He will be useless at CHF.

It is easy for the computer chair sitters to make calls that dont have full information on and are not accountable when they go wrong.

How is Miller a favorite of ND's after he has been demoted from the leadership group in recent years? And what is "popular opinion"? Hardly informed.

Port Adelaide v Kanagroos 2004

Interesting theory, but the only time Port Adelaide played the Kangaroos in 2004, the Kangaroos won by 92 points and Byron Pickett didn't play.

There is no possible way Pickett will line up at CHF ever for the MFC. There are at least 20 players on the list that are better suited to CHF than Pickett.

I want a fit team for round 1 so there are no excuses. For that reason McLean doesn't play until he is 100%. Why risk him in round 1?

B: Bizzell, Carroll, Whelan

HB: Brown, Ferguson, Rivers

C: Bell, Bruce, Green

HF: Bate, Dunn, Yze

F: Davey, Neitz, Robertson

FOLL: White, Johnstone, McDonald

I/C: Jamar, Jones, Moloney, Ward

I would doubt that fitness would be an issue for brock despite his resent injury. he is one of the fittest, if not the fittest player at the club and i would have no doubt that he would play similar minutes to last year with ease. regardless if he plays this week or next week for sandys practise match, the chook will play round one

Could Bizzell play CHF?

Playing PJ at CHF was done against Carlton 1st round last year. What a disaster. If he is a short ruckman that cant mark. He will be useless at CHF.

It is easy for the computer chair sitters to make calls that dont have full information on and are not accountable when they go wrong.

How is Miller a favorite of ND's after he has been demoted from the leadership group in recent years? And what is "popular opinion"? Hardly informed.

So you're going to judge someone after one game but not someone like Miller who has continued to fail over many seasons?

Interesting

It is easy for the computer chair sitters to make calls that dont have full information on and are not accountable when they go wrong.

Well then what's the point of having a "fan forum" if fans can't give an opinion?

No one here has "full information", except for CAC of course.

How is Miller a favorite of ND's after he has been demoted from the leadership group in recent years? And what is "popular opinion"? Hardly informed.

Miller may not be favoured as a leader but he is still in favour to get a game. Yze was dropped from the leadership even earlier yet has played every game since.

Popular opinion is that Miller has played badly (taking into account his interrupted pre-season last year) in recent times. It is "informed" because everyone has seen it for themselves!

Interesting theory, but the only time Port Adelaide played the Kangaroos in 2004, the Kangaroos won by 92 points and Byron Pickett didn't play.

There is no possible way Pickett will line up at CHF ever for the MFC. There are at least 20 players on the list that are better suited to CHF than Pickett.

Ok point taken. I thought he played that game at CHF. Obviously didnt. Good work for pulling out the stats and proving me wrong

1. Playing PJ at CHF was done against Carlton 1st round last year. What a disaster. If he is a short ruckman that cant mark. He will be useless at CHF.

2. It is easy for the computer chair sitters to make calls that dont have full information on and are not accountable when they go wrong.

3. How is Miller a favorite of ND's after he has been demoted from the leadership group in recent years? And what is "popular opinion"? Hardly informed.

Congratulations Rhino, you take every word to the literal nano in order to get an argument that somehow makes someone else look inferior. I hope it gives you the ego boost that you need to get you through the day. Please feel free to actually contribute something constructive to the forum one day.

Let me clarify:

1. What is your point? Do you think PJ will make a good CHF or not? Clearly too cryptic for a simpleton such as myself...

2. Exactly my point.

3. Miller is a favourite of ND's (in my opinion), because, like Yze, he has been continually selected and given critical roles, but only delivered moderately in terms of performance. By popular opinion I meant popular opinion amongst demonland posters.

By your own critique Rhino no-one should be posting on Demonland without having intimate inside knowledge of the day-to-day operation of the club, and should conduct a full scientific study on their chosen topic before touching their keyboard. Will the Harvard referencing format suffice?

So you're going to judge someone after one game but not someone like Miller who has continued to fail over many seasons?

Interesting

No.I judge PJ from watching him play for MFC, WCE and Sandy over the past three years.

I have already passed judgement over Miller ad nauseam on this site. Not good enough or smart enough to play CHF. Maybe a chance up back where he plays a simple negating role.

Both players are limited. I am not sure either will make it.

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Let me clarify:

1. What is your point? Do you think PJ will make a good CHF or not? Clearly too cryptic for a simpleton such as myself...

2. Exactly my point.

3. Miller is a favourite of ND's (in my opinion), because, like Yze, he has been continually selected and given critical roles, but only delivered moderately in terms of performance. By popular opinion I meant popular opinion amongst demonland posters.

By your own critique Rhino no-one should be posting on Demonland without having intimate inside knowledge of the day-to-day operation of the club, and should conduct a full scientific study on their chosen topic before touching their keyboard. Will the Harvard referencing format suffice?

1. Point and self description noted.

2. I am not sure it is "much harder for ND and Co to make that sort of call because they have 6-figure salaries, and 4 Premiership points, riding on their decisions." That's their job FCS. They have all the information, they should understand its relative importance and that is what they are paid to do. Its alot harder for judgemental people like ourselves sitting in the row Q thrid tier to understand the machinations. Far from being averse to risks they would be emboldened to enact tactics that actually work and enhance their tenure.

3. Agree on Yze. Its been four years of soft performances. Yze can play outstanding top shelf football and that has been the swecretv to his longevity. The potential to win games for MFC However it has become more amd more infrequent and on his selfish terms. He's lazy and his demise has been coming. Miller definiftely tries and is prepared to put his body on the line for the team. He is just not that good where he will get near to Yze's level. Miller has plateaud in the past 2 years and during that time has had OP so I will give him sone grace. For a while he looked the best option at CHF. I dont think that is the case now.

Both are line ball this year on there performances. Yze's omission is long overdue.

Good luck with the inferiority issue. I am sure something from Harvard will help.

I want a fit team for round 1 so there are no excuses. For that reason McLean doesn't play until he is 100%. Why risk him in round 1?

B: Bizzell, Carroll, Whelan

HB: Brown, Ferguson, Rivers

C: Bell, Bruce, Green

HF: Bate, Dunn, Yze

F: Davey, Neitz, Robertson

FOLL: White, Johnstone, McDonald

I/C: Jamar, Jones, Moloney, Ward

McLean will play Round 1. He'll play this weekend against Geelong. I'll assume that Moloney is right to go and Pickett wont be. Here's my team

B: Holland, Carroll, Whelan

HB: C.Johnson, Rivers, Ward

C: Johnstone, Bruce, Moloney

HF: Bate, Miller, Green

F: Robertson, Neitz, Davey

1R:White, McDonald, McLean

int: Jamar, Jones, Bell, Bizzell

Emerg: Ferguson, Brown, Yze

Round One team:

B: Bell, Carroll, Whelan

HB: Bizzell, Holland, Rivers

C: Moloney, Johnstone, Green

HF: Bruce, Robertson, Yze

F: Davey, Neitz, Dunn

FOLL: White, McLean, McDonald

I/C: Jamar, Jones, Pickett, C. Johnson

Emerg: Dunn, Ward, Bate

My Round One team.

EDIT: Assuming Pickett is fit.

FB: Whelan Holland Carroll

HB: Bizzell Rivers Bell

C: Johnstone Jones Green

HF: C. Johnson Dunn Bruce

FF: Robertson Neitz Davey

Foll: White McLean McDonald

Int: P. Johnson Bate Pickett Moloney

The team I predict to be chosen.

EDIT: Assuming Pickett is fit.

B: Whelan Carroll Holland

HB: Ward Rivers Bell

C: Johnstone McLean Green

HF: Yze Miller C.Johnson

FF: Robertson Neitz Davey

Foll: White McDonald Bruce

Int: Jamar Moloney Pickett Jones

No.I judge PJ from watching him play for MFC, WCE and Sandy over the past three years.

I have already passed judgement over Miller ad nauseam on this site. Not good enough or smart enough to play CHF. Maybe a chance up back where he plays a simple negating role.

Both players are limited. I am not sure either will make it.

Ok, i understand where you're coming from, and I agree with your last sentence.

My Round One team.

B: Whelan Carroll Holland

HB: Ward Rivers Bell

C: Johnstone McLean Green

HF: Yze Miller C.Johnson

FF: Robertson Neitz Davey

Foll: White McDonald Bruce

Int: Jamar Moloney Brown Jones

I reckon thats pretty close to being the team picked. Pickett will play no matter how bad his conditionings like. (U just need to cast ur mind back rd 1 last year.)

so IN: Pickett, Bate Out: Brown, Moloney

B: Holland, Carroll, Whelan

HB: C.Johnson, Rivers, Ward

C: Johnstone, Bruce, Moloney

HF: Pickett, Miller, Green

F: Robertson, Neitz, Davey

R:White, McDonald, McLean

int: Jamar, Jones, Bell, Bizzell

Emerg: Ferguson, Brown, Bate

B: Holland, Carroll, Whelan

HB: C.Johnson, Rivers, Ward

C: Johnstone, Bruce, Moloney

HF: Pickett, Miller, Green

F: Robertson, Neitz, Davey

R:White, McDonald, McLean

int: Jamar, Jones, Bell, Bizzell

Emerg: Ferguson, Brown, Bate

Bate will be in the starting 22. Nothing surer. He's just motoring along atm but that's part of the 'longevity plan' for the season.

My Round 1 Team.

B: Whelan Carroll Holland

HB: C.Johnson Rivers Bell

C: Johnstone McLean Green

HF: Yze Miller Bate

FF: Robertson Neitz Davey

Foll: White McDonald Bruce

Int: Jamar Moloney Ward Jones

TO be honest i dont know which out of dunn or miller will play and should play. Both are getting game time and quite frankly have done bugger all in the pre-season. We are heavily reliant on neita. always have and always will be.

Pickett wont be ready for round 1. Round 2 or 3 perhaps. He must be awfully unfit if he cant get a game in a practice match where there are 26 players playing.

That leaves, Sylvia, Bartram and Pickett unavailable due to injury/fitness.

Next in line for selection is Dunn, Bizz, Brown, Wheaters and Frawley. Whats interesting here is that we have a multitude of mid and medium backs but our midfield depth aint great, and our forward line depth is even worse.

B: Whelan Carroll Holland

HB: Bruce Rivers Bell

C: Johnstone McLean Green

HF: Bate Miller C.Johnson

FF: Robertson Neitz Davey

Foll: White McDonald Jones

Int: Jamar Moloney Yze Pickett

Em: Dunn, Frawley, Ward

Need 3 tall backs against Saints. I've got Yze in the team, despite poor form. Pickett and Moloney both have question marks over their heads regarding fitness, but assuming they're both OK, then they walk into the team.

Looking forward to the return of Brock, the emergence of Jones and CJ, and a good 2007 for the Dees :D

My two cents worth:

Starting 22 against the Saints:

B: Whelan Carroll Bell

HB: Bizzell Rivers C Johnson

C: Johnstone Green Moloney

HF Bruce Miller Dunn

F: Robertson Neitz Davey

Ruck: White McLean McDonald

Int: Jamar Jones Brown Pickett

Emerg: Bate Frawley Wheatley

My mail from a reliable source is (quote) 'Yze is causing problems as won't play for Sandy because of the consecutive games record'

I know it's been done to death, but it'll be very interesting to see ND's stance should Adem fail to show something against the handbaggers.

My mail from a reliable source is (quote) 'Yze is causing problems as won't play for Sandy because of the consecutive games record'

Since when has that ever been a consideration?

We've taken his feelings, records and 'injuries' into consideration for long enough.

If what you say is really true, than his future with us is in more trouble than I thought.