3rd Worst Team of the Decade

[Sir Why You Little 35,170]

18 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Sometimes waiting to strike Lasiter's, is just waiting too long.

Sometimes going into hock to get it done, is the way to get there sooner.

Like so many off the other clubs have done.  If we get into trouble, let the other clubs and league bail us out.  

 

Nike says.    Just Do It !

Yes. Win Games. Just do it. The rest is just Bullshite wallpaper.

If we are to go into Hock I would rather pump big $$$’s into the Football Department than build a Social Club. 
there is good and bad debt. 

Winning breeds interest and finance. 
 

Edited December 12, 2019 by Sir Why You Little

[Laughing Goat 308]

Sounds about right I guess.....one couldn't expect anything more flattering after last years horror show & the Neeld era.

Can only go one way now really & interested to see how SG responds.

Go Dees!

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes. Win Games. Just do it. The rest is just Bullshite wallpaper.

If we are to go into Hock I would rather pump big $$$’s into the Football Department than build a Social Club. 
there is good and bad debt. 

Winning breeds interest and finance. 
 

The social club-home base will change this club, making it more accessible to all.  And then the Clubs culture will change.   Then the team culture will follow. 

This is when we will become a power club, once more.

 

It would be the best money we could ever spend. 

[Sir Why You Little 35,170]

9 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

The social club-home base will change this club, making it more accessible to all.  And then the Clubs culture will change.   Then the team culture will follow. 

This is when we will become a power club, once more.

 

It would be the best money we could ever spend. 

Nobody will go there if we are not winning. 
Fund the Football Department and the rest can follow 

[low flying Robbo 979]

yeah but we are the most successful finals team in that time

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

18 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Nobody will go there if we are not winning. 
Fund the Football Department and the rest can follow 

Have people been attending our training sessions over the past 50Yrs ?  Just to stand in the park.

Of course they will go, and they will spend as well.  And not just during outside training sessions.

After work meet ups.  Before & after games.  Before & after training sessions.  Preseason practice matches.   AFLW games and training sessions.   Birthdays. etc.

Dee time is right.   Get a move on D's.

 

Just Do It !

[Sir Why You Little 35,170]

52 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Have people been attending our training sessions over the past 50Yrs ?  Just to stand in the park.

Of course they will go, and they will spend as well.  And not just during outside training sessions.

After work meet ups.  Before & after games.  Before & after training sessions.  Preseason practice matches.   AFLW games and training sessions.   Birthdays. etc.

Dee time is right.   Get a move on D's.

 

Just Do It !

I want to see Wins on the weekend. You want to spend money on Bells and Whistles

Get your priorities in order MFM

If you are building a Race Car, the first part you work on is the MOTOR. 

That is the the Core. 
 

The Core Business of The MFC is to win games of Football. Get that right and then expand into the areas you dream of. 
If we do not start winning regularly then a brand new facility will become a soulless ghetto very quickly

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I want to see Wins on the weekend. You want to spend money on Bells and Whistles

Get your priorities in order MFM

If you are building a Race Car, the first part you work on is the MOTOR. 

That is the the Core. 
 

The Core Business of The MFC is to win games of Football. Get that right and then expand into the areas you dream of. 
If we do not start winning regularly then a brand new facility will become a soulless ghetto very quickly

Its the Club culture that drives wins and winning mentality.   Not the team culture.  The team culture is more a mirror of the coach of the day and the team leaders.  The outside club culture is the constant leader of the team theme, and underpins the whole shebang.

When the tiger supporters lift, that culture lifts that whole club.  And then they are away.  The same with the Bluse, and the Bummers. 

Its the supporters that fire those clubs, providing the heat under the clubs to perform.

Those clubs are Not conservatively run and all have had their days in financial strife.  They're aggressive attiude and balls sees tham win big and fail big, but they do win their shares.

 

Conservatives run the middle ground for flat results.   And when things heat up,  the conservative sits back down.

This.  is why we changed to become demons.

 

Why have you never asked yourself why it is, this club is so different to others , especially the power branded clubs.  Its the supporters swyl.   They create the win or lose mentality. They are the constant.

And because the club has been so removed from the street supporters, its culture fits that geography.  This in turn affects the club culture,  and is why we continually slip back to being a comfortable club,  with our lot.

Broadening the supporter base will bring back the real long-term hunger,  and the fire in the belly demons.

 

There is absolutely no point in doing the same,  over and over again,  as this club has done for 50Yrs.  And then expect things will be different,  by remaining the very same. And doing the same things.

[Sir Why You Little 35,170]

6 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Its the Club culture that drives wins and winning mentality.   Not the team culture.  The team culture is more a mirror of the coach of the day and the team leaders.  The outside club culture is the constant leader of the team theme, and underpins the whole shebang.

When the tiger supporters lift, that culture lifts that whole club.  And then they are away.  The same with the Bluse, and the Bummers. 

Its the supporters that fire those clubs, providing the heat under the clubs to perform.

Those clubs are Not conservatively run and all have had their days in financial strife.  They're aggressive attiude and balls sees tham win big and fail big, but they do win their shares.

 

Conservatives run the middle ground for flat results.   And when things heat up,  the conservative sits back down.

This.  is why we changed to become demons.

 

Why have you never asked yourself why it is, this club is so different to others , especially the power branded clubs.  Its the supporters swyl.   They create the win or lose mentality. They are the constant.

And because the club has been so removed from the street supporters, its culture fits that geography.  This in turn affects the club culture,  and is why we continually slip back to being a comfortable club,  with our lot.

Broadening the supporter base will bring back the real long-term hunger,  and the fire in the belly demons.

 

There is absolutely no point in doing the same,  over and over again,  as this club has done for 50Yrs.  And then expect things will be different,  by remaining the very same. And doing the same things.

We are different. The MFC grew from a Stadium, not a Suburb. But we do not use the name Melbourne enough. Melbourne as the Name of a big City. I am well aware of that. Have said it for years. 
but you and i are Fundamentally opposed as far as Operating Systems are concerned. 

A big Shiny Building will mean nothing if the Club is not winning. 
You Speak of Supporters running the win or lose mentality, that is only partially true. If the Football Department and Board are not running well, the Supporters will make no difference at all (Richmond were mostly Hot Air for 37 years, same can be said for Essendrug and Carlscum, lots of Hot Air lately)

MFC Supporters have put up with far more  crap than most, yes we could be louder, but how many times can you be let down??

2019 was beyond a disgrace, and a social Club will not help matters at this point. It’s Football Department matters that need addressing. 
we need wins for relevance in a tight market, not a place for Birthday ? Parties ? 

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

33 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We are different. The MFC grew from a Stadium, not a Suburb. But we do not use the name Melbourne enough. Melbourne as the Name of a big City. I am well aware of that. Have said it for years. 
but you and i are Fundamentally opposed as far as Operating Systems are concerned. 

A big Shiny Building will mean nothing if the Club is not winning. 
You Speak of Supporters running the win or lose mentality, that is only partially true. If the Football Department and Board are not running well, the Supporters will make no difference at all (Richmond were mostly Hot Air for 37 years, same can be said for Essendrug and Carlscum, lots of Hot Air lately)

MFC Supporters have put up with far more  crap than most, yes we could be louder, but how many times can you be let down??

2019 was beyond a disgrace, and a social Club will not help matters at this point. It’s Football Department matters that need addressing. 
we need wins for relevance in a tight market, not a place for Birthday ? Parties ? 

Yes that's right, and Now it no longer works.

We no longer have the pick of players who want to come play at the 'G'.  we are seen as fussy sorts,  a bit fuddy dudd, and generally as losers in AFL

When we are winning strongly,  then we are hated for our arrogant ways,  and when we are in our soft losing moods years end on end,  we are pitied.

Players generally aren't all that attracted to our brand, for these reasons.

 

Its high time the club grew from out of its own shadow,  and did something substantial about this. the boards of our past are all guilty of failing to make the ballsy decisins for foear of upsetting one side or the other. 

 

In short. the supporters who inhabitat the Mcc,  are in a sense holding up the club from growth and prosperity,  due to their own desires.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

45 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You Speak of Supporters running the win or lose mentality, that is only partially true. If the Football Department and Board are not running well, the Supporters will make no difference at all (Richmond were mostly Hot Air for 37 years, same can be said for Essendrug and Carlscum, lots of Hot Air lately)

Richmond became stale and non dynamic.

It was Benny Gale and the Lady President that started to shift the thinking, and made things happen, a little like Diick Seddon's time.   But Diick left for commission ideals, when we needed him on-board the ship.

The difference in a way, is that club is open to all and supporters who can meet and get to know the potential directors, Via a direct liaison within the club.

Melbourne does not have this inclusory capacity, at it stands,  and so,  we vote based on emailed referrals, and get boards who has been referred to us.  Without any real knowledge of the directors at a personal level.

This is one of the biggest hurdles IMO,  that has caused our generic decline.  The divide between the leaders and the supporters is far to wide a gap.  And the outcomes are a stifled club that has been greying more and more, over each decade.

 

[Sir Why You Little 35,170]

12 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Richmond became stale and non dynamic.

It was Benny Gale and the Lady President that started to shift the thinking, and made things happen, a little like Diick Seddon's time.   But Diick left for commission ideals, when we needed him on-board the ship.

The difference in a way, is that club is open to all and supporters who can meet and get to know the potential directors, Via a direct liaison within the club.

Melbourne does not have this inclusory capacity, at it stands,  and so,  we vote based on emailed referrals, and get boards who has been referred to us.  Without any real knowledge of the directors at a personal level.

This is one of the biggest hurdles IMO,  that has caused our generic decline.  The divide between the leaders and the supporters is far to wide a gap.  And the outcomes are a stifled club that has been greying more and more, over each decade.

 

Some of this i agree with. Benny Gale was a neighbour of mine 20 years ago. Had drinks with him a few times. Top Bloke, was not suprised when he took over Richmond. A very sharp operator. 
but i bet my left ball that Benny looked at The Richmond Football Department as the first place to sort out and worked his way out from there. 
Priorities, get the team functioning and then the other areas start to roll. 
We saw momentum in 2018, but it broke badly. Why?

it wasn’t the Supporters or a lack of a Social Club, it was inside the Football Department 

[Tony Tea 2,792]

Amazed that there was a team below us, excluding the obvious Suns.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

but i bet my left ball that Benny looked at The Richmond Football Department as the first place to sort

Gale looked initially to sort the club out,  re the home-ground base,  the playing surface was leveled,  and expanded, closer to the size of the 'G'.

But it was all about the club itself. change was required and they got to it.

Tigers have a home base.  with social facilities for supporters.

Blues have had a home base. with social facilities for supporters.

Bummers have had a home base. with social facilities for supporters.

Pies have had home bases. with social facilities for supporters.

Cats have a home base. with social facilities for supporters.

Hawks have had home-bases. and social facilities for supporters.

 

Most all the stronger clubs all started with home bases, and social facilitates for the supporters,  one and all.

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We saw momentum in 2018, but it broke badly. Why?

it wasn’t the Supporters or a lack of a Social Club, it was inside the Football Department 

it was the supporters who got aggressive at games abnnd got behind the team that helped the side to build momentum in 2018.

We banished the polite sitdown and clap.  Traded it in for good Ol fashioned yelling, and cheering the team, and booing the opposition.  We poked and prodded the faithful to stop the polite and get argy-bargy at games, for our team.

It was noticeable from early in the season,  and as the team got back together,  the wins and momentum and belief lifted,  like back n '87.   But we were ahead of our list strength.  It was a peep show of our future only.

This 2019 year was the year we had to have.  To add much needed talent onto our basic list.

Those strong running players,  and more young talent for the eye to our longer term future. a strong list coming on is like a fashion. here one day gone the next. 

 

Its the strength of the club itself.   that maintains the necessary flows of spirit, revenues, and generally, interest in the clubs well-being. the excite,ment arounfd the club maintained by its dro in supporters.

They/We hold the key, the love and the passion, that is so necessary for the payers to maintain the workloads and the focus,  and the will to succeed, time and again.

[Go the Biff 3,211]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

..........
but i bet my left ball that Benny looked at The Richmond Football Department as the first place to sort out and worked his way out from there. 
Priorities, get the team functioning and then the other areas start to roll. .............

When Jackson came on board one of his first utterances was "you've got to fix the footy first". So he was in agreement with you SWYL.

As an aside, were it not for a lack of multiple font sizes and references to "the Northern Stand", I'd swear you've had similar discussions with the same bloke - different name though

[Sir Why You Little 35,170]

31 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Gale looked initially to sort the club out,  re the home-ground base,  the playing surface was leveled,  and expanded, closer to the size of the 'G'.

But it was all about the club itself. change was required and they got to it.

Tigers have a home base.  with social facilities for supporters.

Blues have had a home base. with social facilities for supporters.

Bummers have had a home base. with social facilities for supporters.

Pies have had home bases. with social facilities for supporters.

Cats have a home base. with social facilities for supporters.

Hawks have had home-bases. and social facilities for supporters.

 

Most all the stronger clubs all started with home bases, and social facilitates for the supporters,  one and all.

it was the supporters who got aggressive at games abnnd got behind the team that helped the side to build momentum in 2018.

We banished the polite sitdown and clap.  Traded it in for good Ol fashioned yelling, and cheering the team, and booing the opposition.  We poked and prodded the faithful to stop the polite and get argy-bargy at games, for our team.

It was noticeable from early in the season,  and as the team got back together,  the wins and momentum and belief lifted,  like back n '87.   But we were ahead of our list strength.  It was a peep show of our future only.

This 2019 year was the year we had to have.  To add much needed talent onto our basic list.

Those strong running players,  and more young talent for the eye to our longer term future. a strong list coming on is like a fashion. here one day gone the next. 

 

Its the strength of the club itself.   that maintains the necessary flows of spirit, revenues, and generally, interest in the clubs well-being. the excite,ment arounfd the club maintained by its dro in supporters.

They/We hold the key, the love and the passion, that is so necessary for the payers to maintain the workloads and the focus,  and the will to succeed, time and again.

It’s not the Social Club for God Sake

Get real. Selling Beers and Parmas doesn’t win Flags. FFS

 

ENOUGH!

[Sir Why You Little 35,170]

13 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

When Jackson came on board one of his first utterances was "you've got to fix the footy first". So he was in agreement with you SWYL.

As an aside, were it not for a lack of multiple font sizes and references to "the Northern Stand", I'd swear you've had similar discussions with the same bloke - different name though

Why are people so obsessed with having a place to go after the game??

As a Member i want all my money to go to the Football Department, everything else is an add on. 
If you win Games People want to watch 

[Diamond_Jim 12,064]

I can understand the nostalgic desire for a gathering place/social club but I cannot see how in this day and age you could ever make such a thing pay. Gone are the days of a keg out the back of the stand.

Mind you it's probably an easier problem to solve than that of getting  a decent training facility near the MCG.

[Fork 'em 6,607]

On 12/10/2019 at 11:56 PM, Pates said:

Hardly surprising but still depressing to look at. Surely the 20's can be our decade, our fans deserve it!!! ?

A new decade comes, new beginning. God I'd love nothing more to see that ladder flipped so the Cats, Hawks, and Swans fans can experience our depression! (Cat's fans especially)

I remember the optimism rising in 2010 for the coming decade of domination.
That turned out well.

Tune in at 17:20 for Bruces immortal words.

 

 

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

On 12/12/2019 at 11:59 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s not the Social Club for God Sake

Get real. Selling Beers and Parmas doesn’t win Flags. FFS

 

ENOUGH!

engagement,  swyl.

Its about engagement, and sharing stories, and all those little things that bind people together.  =  the essence of what a club is all about.

This is what Melbourne has never had,  well at least since the early 60's.

[Sir Why You Little 35,170]

8 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

engagement,  swyl.

Its about engagement, and sharing stories, and all those little things that bind people together.  =  the essence of what a club is all about.

This is what Melbourne has never had,  well at least since the early 60's.

F all to talk about, if the Team isn’t winning games. 

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

F all to talk about, if the Team isn’t winning games. 

Talk about life, wishes, desires, ailments of kids, sadness at being down the ladder, all human understandable traits, and players need these equalising attributes, to keep their feet planted on mother earth. 

Think Roughhead.  He's an honest down to earth person, who has no tickets on himself.   (and we wanted to get him to the Dees as a coach, for good reason, but he went to the saints ???)
This is the sort of thing that coming into contact with everyday people at the club, brings to elite players.  It normalises them.

 

This is a big hole in our club, and I am sure this is one of the missing pieces to our puzzle.   A big chink in our club makeup.

[Demonstone 19,792]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

F all to talk about, if the Team isn’t winning games. 

During the season, this site is always much busier after a loss.    

[Sir Why You Little 35,170]

1 hour ago, demonstone said:

During the season, this site is always much busier after a loss.    

Sure is. We can chat from home. 
why would i go into a “Club Room” to vent. 
 

Once the Team is winning people will gravitate towards each other. 
it is all priorities. Get the Motor running first, tuned up and purring. Then build on that

[Ugottobekidding 915]

I gave up going to games when people kept getting upset because i was too vocal. That was tridents. Then i used end up in the bar area which was more lively.

Edited December 14, 2019 by Ugottobekidding
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