On 25/06/2018 at 03:02, D4Life said:

My censored rhymed with Frog!

"Grog"??

Great idea!  Is it Beer O' Clock yet??

It is crucial that we put in a request not to have(WA umpire) Dean Margetts when we play the Eagles in Perth.

Did anyone else notice how he seemed intent on bringing WCE back into the game when they were way behind against Essendon last Thursday?

Normally comments on umpires from me are not worth reading,since I’m so one-eyed Melbourne. I can’t stand Essendon, but I thought the umpiring in that game was disgracefully biased against them. I guess it’s not deliberate bias, but it’s a cowardly tendency  of some umpires to be influenced by the “ crowd affirmation”, which is worse there than anywhere else....even Geelong.

Margetts( why does that remind me of “maggots” )was the worst, and if he’s in charge again, I’m betting on the Eagles.

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Edited June 25, 20186 yr by Jumping Jack Clennett
Accidentally repeated

  On 24/06/2018 at 21:20, SFebey said:

Totally sick of watching footy, different rules each week. Supporters are over it. Poor spectacle and they want to make more rule changes in October when they don’t even understand the current ones 

I'm almost over the whole AFL scene SF.  I watched a little of the Norf / Dogs encounter.  At one point a Norf player was tackled,  went down on a knee while being tackled (broke that tackle...just), then tried another tackler on after running on a little more...disposed the ball incorrectly.... "play on" called.

From that direct piece of play the ball then ends up on Norf's 50 arc, bounces off ground into an oncoming Doggy defender's bread basket.  He gathers, gets immediately tackled... "holding the ball".

I turned the game off at that point and went over to world cup (possibly a replay).

Unwatchable.

I wonder if the same 3 umpires working together every week, like the officiating crews in the NFL do, would improve consistency and decision making.

  On 25/06/2018 at 03:33, Rusty Nails said:

I'm almost over the whole AFL scene SF.  I watched a little of the Norf / Dogs encounter.  At one point a Norf player was tackled,  went down on a knee while being tackled (broke that tackle...just), then tried another tackler on after running on a little more...disposed the ball incorrectly.... "play on" called.

From that direct piece of play the ball then ends up on Norf's 50 arc, bounces off ground into an oncoming Doggy defender's bread basket.  He gathers, gets immediately tackled... "holding the ball".

I turned the game off at that point and went over to world cup (possibly a replay).

Unwatchable.

I'm with you mate, totally over Gil and his radical rubbish. Next year could be the year I walk away from it altogether.

  On 25/06/2018 at 03:33, Rusty Nails said:

I'm almost over the whole AFL scene SF.  I watched a little of the Norf / Dogs encounter.  At one point a Norf player was tackled,  went down on a knee while being tackled (broke that tackle...just), then tried another tackler on after running on a little more...disposed the ball incorrectly.... "play on" called.

From that direct piece of play the ball then ends up on Norf's 50 arc, bounces off ground into an oncoming Doggy defender's bread basket.  He gathers, gets immediately tackled... "holding the ball".

I turned the game off at that point and went over to world cup (possibly a replay).

Unwatchable.

Norf get the most unbelievable run from the maggots EVERY week. Ben Brown is the worst diver in the league but no media will ever mention it.

  On 25/06/2018 at 03:36, Clintosaurus said:

I wonder if the same 3 umpires working together every week, like the officiating crews in the NFL do, would improve consistency and decision making.

Would it promote more collusion? Or does it work OK?

  On 25/06/2018 at 03:11, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

It is crucial that we put in a request not to have(WA umpire) Dean Margetts when we play the Eagles in Perth.

Did anyone else notice how he seemed intent on bringing WCE back into the game when they were way behind against Essendon last Thursday?

Normally comments on umpires from me are not worth reading,since I’m so one-eyed Melbourne. I can’t stand Essendon, but I thought the umpiring in that game was disgracefully biased against them. I guess it’s not deliberate bias, but it’s a cowardly tendency  of some umpires to be influenced by the “ crowd affirmation”, which is worse there than anywhere else....even Geelong.

Margetts( why does that remind me of “maggots” )was the worst, and if he’s in charge again, I’m betting on the Eagles.

Agree with all of this. As an objective observer of the WCE/ESS game with equal parts completely rational hate for both, along with admiration for ESS's start, I could not believe the umpiring against ESS.

  On 25/06/2018 at 03:36, SFebey said:

I'm with you mate, totally over Gil and his radical rubbish. Next year could be the year I walk away from it altogether.

Fan petition needed.

1 person is an island. Might seem a bit twee, but a petition with say 50k-100k sigs calling for an umpiring overhaul would be something for the media to get stuck into Dill with. I suspect there would be sections of the media who would be delighted (except for biting the hand that feeds) but I might be wrong.

Starting a petition and spreading has never been easier.

We could also call for the summary execution of the Port Dees umpires for added entertainment value or else some forensic accounting of their betting accounts. Not at all suggestion anything amiss there, but it's good to be sure.

  On 25/06/2018 at 03:37, SFebey said:

Would it promote more collusion? Or does it work OK?

I think it works pretty well. Other than the Patriots getting the 50/50 calls go their way, the NFL is well officiated. Pass interference and defensive/offensive holding are probably the most subjective decisions, as most of the other fouls are either there or not (e.g. defensive offside, false start). It is like Rugby League in that the movement is not 360 degrees, plus all fouls except Defensive Pass Interference have set penalties, and the yard markers mean a 50 can't be 75 or 35 for example. 

Surely for 50 metre penalties the umpire awarding the 50 could stand at the place of the infringement and the umpire in the next zone moves to the mark with the help of a laser marker generated from the first umpires' GPS tracker.

  On 25/06/2018 at 04:16, Clintosaurus said:

 

Surely for 50 metre penalties the umpire awarding the 50 could stand at the place of the infringement and the umpire in the next zone moves to the mark with the help of a laser marker generated from the first umpires' GPS tracker.

WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH

Let's not let accuracy via technology get in the way here

  On 25/06/2018 at 03:36, SFebey said:

I'm with you mate, totally over Gil and his radical rubbish. Next year could be the year I walk away from it altogether.

Does that mean you'll stop posting your rubbish here as well......Halelujah

Anyone know if the club or anybody of substance has asked for clarification from the AFL umpiring officiondos on the Melksham one on one blocking free and resultant 50 meter penalty for a goal down the other end? Hmmm 12 point decision! 

  On 25/06/2018 at 03:01, D4Life said:

Each team should be able to nominate two umpires who they won’t accept umpiring their games, would highlight the worst umpires quickly!

Great, the game needs this amendment. Fully support such a move.

  On 25/06/2018 at 10:30, Earl Hood said:

Anyone know if the club or anybody of substance has asked for clarification from the AFL umpiring officiondos on the Melksham one on one blocking free and resultant 50 meter penalty for a goal down the other end? Hmmm 12 point decision! 

I don't know so I would hope someone could find out...and reasons for or against seeking clarification. It sounds ridiculous in some areas but none of these are as ridiculous as the levels of mysterious umpiring decisions and behaviours that we have seen so far this year.

  On 25/06/2018 at 10:17, Roost It said:

Does that mean you'll stop posting your rubbish here as well......Halelujah

Wow 3 posts for 3attacks, play the ball not the man, add some value or discussion yourself

Edited June 25, 20186 yr by SFebey

  On 25/06/2018 at 03:45, timbo said:

Fan petition needed.

1 person is an island. Might seem a bit twee, but a petition with say 50k-100k sigs calling for an umpiring overhaul would be something for the media to get stuck into Dill with. I suspect there would be sections of the media who would be delighted (except for biting the hand that feeds) but I might be wrong.

Starting a petition and spreading has never been easier.

We could also call for the summary execution of the Port Dees umpires for added entertainment value or else some forensic accounting of their betting accounts. Not at all suggestion anything amiss there, but it's good to be sure.

Normal people in normal enterprise have been scrutinised for less! The world is a richer place because of such practices. 

  On 25/06/2018 at 10:38, SFebey said:

Wow two posts for two attacks, play the ball not the man

Must be pond life, Febes. Don't worry about that one. Anonymous nuisance missing the point of a forum. 

  On 25/06/2018 at 10:41, Deemania since 56 said:

Must be pond life, Febes. Don't worry about that one. Anonymous nuisance missing the point of a forum. 

Weird how he just replied and attacked 3 of my posts in succession but not being any decent discussion to the board or even try. On ignore, cheers ?

  On 25/06/2018 at 10:34, Deemania since 56 said:

I don't know so I would hope someone could find out...and reasons for or against seeking clarification. It sounds ridiculous in some areas but none of these are as ridiculous as the levels of mysterious umpiring decisions and behaviours that we have seen so far this year.

It is interesting that we don’t hear more about some of these decisions, not to smash umpires but to understand the interpretation and at times to admit mistakes. There were at least 2 mystifying ruck frees against Max vs Grundy last week, but we still don’t know why; then we have the Melk blocking decision this week. I would have thought all forwards need to know they now can’t hold their ground in a marking contest, before there are more poor unfortunates who ignore a whistle, thinking they have the free and give away a 50.

  On 25/06/2018 at 10:44, Earl Hood said:

It is interesting that we don’t hear more about some of these decisions, not to smash umpires but to understand the interpretation and at times to admit mistakes. There were at least 2 mystifying ruck frees against Max vs Grundy last week, but we still don’t know why; then we have the Melk blocking decision this week. I would have thought all forwards need to know they now can’t hold their ground in a marking contest, before there are more poor unfortunates who ignore a whistle, thinking they have the free and give away a 50.

The very reason that we are baffled by such newborn umpiring decisions. We, keen observers of the game over many years, watch and interpret all decisions yet consistency of application is never achieved by the white brethren. Where is the modern-day Nash or Beitzel? They always communicated with the public on decisions without apology or intent. We are totally baffled. The players must be freaking out over 'what to do' in 'decision-based circumstances' onfield. Baffled they are: just recall last week's game when someone '...didn't care that XXXXXX was bleeding...', '...why the free kick?' 

I can't think of another game that has made so rage filled.  I was actually ready to go full run Swanson with TV.

The last quarter was an absolute  debacle  and port clearly got some highly dubious calls. The afl is entirely to blame for continually changing the rules every year.  

I suggest everyone writes a letter or emails the afl to express our frustration  at having to suffer such pathetic farcical  one sided umpiring.

  On 25/06/2018 at 10:59, Wilbur said:

I can't think of another game that has made so rage filled.  I was actually ready to go full run Swanson with TV.

The last quarter was an absolute  debacle  and port clearly got some highly dubious calls. The afl is entirely to blame for continually changing the rules every year.  

I suggest everyone writes a letter or emails the afl to express our frustration  at having to suffer such pathetic farcical  one sided umpiring.

A petition.

Also someone could easily spin up a webform to bombard the AFL with the same pro forma email from diff people. Easy. I'd be happy to do it.

what would be useful would be an independent web site that put up videos of contentious decisions and invited discussion on them

there are just too many bad or missed decisions that don't get adequately discussed (unless someone like clarko, eddie, terrible twins whinges) publicly and the afl are just happy to let them slip through the cracks

the media are also very remiss (know which side their bread is buttered) in discussing/assessing umpiring in a comprehensive way despite the fact that it is one of the fans major interest focuses/frustrations. they should be able to openly assess it weekly without it becoming a witch hunt

the spotlight needs to be put on the rules and umpiring, the fans are getting increasingly disillusioned at the inability of the afl to apply (or even define) the rules of the game both fairly and in a manner that fans and players alike can understand