14 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Dunno. Kids love him.

My 4 year old will be upset (and confused) to see him playing for Port.

The point I'm making is not actually about jumper sales though. It's about broadening the lens on assessing a player's worth to a club.

 

You can assess it in many ways. If he's on $500k a year I'd be expecting more out of him than what he's currently providing on and off field. Perhaps that is what the club is thinking as well. They may be able to free up some Cap space to bring in a free agent next year. 

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

If we trade Watts and don't win a flag the above is going to look like a picnic

Lol yeah I'm sure the Watts lovers are a fearsome bunch. 

1 minute ago, SFebey said:

Deduct those for his NM, GWS and Port games while you're at it.

As for the others, at least they [censored] try

Oh no - two of those were "the wind" as Goodwin pointed out. His theory was to bomb long into it and then let the opposition force stoppages when we had the gale at our backs. Two terrible coaching efforts-really very poor-and Jack Watts was in the team perhaps but you can chalk the Hobart and Canberra debacles down to Goodwin.

Just now, Biffen said:

If we trade Watts and don't win a flag the above is going to look like a picnic

Watts Riots 1965:

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Just now, Skuit said:

Watts Riots 1965:

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LEAVE WATTSY ALONE!!!

Just now, Biffen said:

Oh no - two of those were "the wind" as Goodwin pointed out. His theory was to bomb long into it and then let the opposition force stoppages when we had the gale at our backs. Two terrible coaching efforts-really very poor-and Jack Watts was in the team perhaps but you can chalk the Hobart and Canberra debacles down to Goodwin.

I do agree with that 100% but the effort shown by Watts in those games was shocking.

1 minute ago, SFebey said:

I do agree with that 100% but the effort shown by Watts in those games was shocking.

Maybe because the coaching message was stupid.

5 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

Lol yeah I'm sure the Watts lovers are a fearsome bunch. 

We handbag the big issues-Gucci style.

4 minutes ago, Biffen said:

 

You don't trade the most accurate set shot in the competition for a second round pick who will never win you a game.

2016 Sam Lloyd 2nd on the RFC goalkicking with 35G 13B. An even more accurate shot for goal than Watts. And won games off his own boot.

2017 Sam Lloyd played 8 games.Hardwick worked out that the benefits of having a smaller mobile forward line that applied pressure worked better than playing someone just because they are an elite kick.

Getting rid of Watts is equally about how Goodwin wants us to play next year, as it is about his lack of discipline off field.

3 minutes ago, Biffen said:

LEAVE WATTSY ALONE!!!

Hey Biff. I assume you're old, so maybe you can help me? Why are a bunch of the older members of Demonland so keen on Watts? I thought you'd all have had enough by now, and be beyond the seduction of golden curls? 

2 minutes ago, mo64 said:

2016 Sam Lloyd 2nd on the RFC goalkicking with 35G 13B. An even more accurate shot for goal than Watts. And won games off his own boot.

2017 Sam Lloyd played 8 games.Hardwick worked out that the benefits of having a smaller mobile forward line that applied pressure worked better than playing someone just because they are an elite kick.

Getting rid of Watts is equally about how Goodwin wants us to play next year, as it is about his lack of discipline off field.

Never seen Lloyd floating across half back,ruck all day when needed, running up and down the wing, or setting up every goal Dom Tyson ever kicked as well as being a better set shot than 35/13

Edited October 13, 20177 yr by Biffen

7 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Maybe because the coaching message was stupid.

Like jogging around like a princess with a butterfly net and one armed tackles?

Let him go Biffenator, he is just no good mate, embrace the future

Just now, SFebey said:

Like jogging around like a princess with a butterfly net and one armed tackles?

Let him go Biffenator, he is just no good mate, embrace the future

His best is better than anyones-it's a coaches challenge to get that from him.

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

His best is better than anyones-it's a coaches challenge to get that from him.

Keep reeling him in Biff. I know you are joking.

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

Never seen Lloyd floating across half backtracking when needed, running up and down the wing, or setting up every goal Dom Tyson ever kicked as well as being a better set shot than 35/13

Jeezus, now Jack Watts is a Robbie Flower incarnate. With all that gut running you'd think he'd average more than 15 possessions a game.

4 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Hey Biff. I assume you're old, so maybe you can help me? Why are a bunch of the older members of Demonland so keen on Watts? I thought you'd all have had enough by now, and be beyond the seduction of golden curls? 

Because coaches can erode the confidence of very good players for a communist gulag ethos instead of just dealing with people for what they are.The Communist factory ethos gives me the SH!ts-it's not how flags are won.

2 minutes ago, Biffen said:

His best is better than anyones-it's a coaches challenge to get that from him.

4-5 coaches so far, maybe wait until Goodwin gets axed by round 10 to see what the incoming coach will bring I suppose, I like it. Lets just keep sacking coaches until Watts delivers

1 minute ago, mo64 said:

Jeezus, now Jack Watts is a Robbie Flower incarnate. With all that gut running you'd think he'd average more than 15 possessions a game.

Robbie had some absolute shockers as well.

2 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Robbie had some absolute shockers as well.

Now you have gone too far.

1 minute ago, SFebey said:

4-5 coaches so far, maybe wait until Goodwin gets axed by round 10 to see what the incoming coach will bring I suppose, I like it. Lets just keep sacking coaches until Watts delivers

That says more about the club than it does about JW-who actually loves the club.

Roos got JW playing career best footy.

Goodwin starts off his career by denigrating him.

Just now, Redleg said:

Now you have gone too far.

Robbie was a ball player and rarely tackled-you must admit that much.

3 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Because coaches can erode the confidence of very good players for a communist gulag ethos instead of just dealing with people for what they are.The Communist factory ethos gives me the SH!ts-it's not how flags are won.

McCarthyism and Jack Watts were probably two subjects I never thought would be clumped together. Goody the Red (and Blue) menace?

 

5 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Robbie was a ball player and rarely tackled-you must admit that much.

He didn't have to, as he was always the one with the ball.

And seriously, the 73 kg Robbie was far more courageous than the 96kg Jack has ever been.

Robbie went in head over the ball, Jack doesn't.

As I said I really like Jack but lets not make him it out to be what he isn't.

He is a sublimely skilled footballer who plays the game on his terms. Pulling out of contests and not making footy your number 1 priority is not the Goodwin mantra.

Edited October 14, 20177 yr by Redleg

23 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Maybe because the coaching message was stupid.

might win nearest the mark.

emphasis on 'coaching'...not just a coach

28 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

Lol yeah I'm sure the Watts lovers are a fearsome bunch. 

Dr. D gives me a bit of a serial killer vibe.