24 minutes ago, Crompton's the man said:

What a beauteous thing it be : to use a huge plurabibilitiness of words, labels and headings to draw the reader’s eye away and to obscure the fact that the question being answered is not the question being asked.

Is this naked intellectual dishonesty or simple garden-variety hypocrisy ?

 

but credit where credit is due, ctm. he did avoid any mention of the evil british empire 

3 hours ago, daisycutter said:

but credit where credit is due, ctm. he did avoid any mention of the evil british empire 

Count me also as one grateful for small mercies and prepared to give due credit 

8 hours ago, daisycutter said:

but credit where credit is due, ctm. he did avoid any mention of the evil british empire 

Hi guys

 

I haven't followed this whole thread, but if Dieter doesn't want to criticise the British Empire, allow me.

 

Sure, the guy defended his own country against Hitler. He was also a racist imperialist. Indian colleagues of mine believe him largely responsible for the Bengal Famine, because he was annoyed with them for daring to want independence.

Millions died as a result.

 

A quick search of the Famine on Wikipedia gives the following:

 

"According to historians Bayly and Harper, quite apart from the exigencies of war, it was difficult not to conclude, that the Churchill war ministry and Winston Churchill himself had a visceral hostility toward India; "The prime minister believed that Indians were the next worst people in the world after the Germans. Their treachery had been plain in the Quit India movement. The Germans he was prepared to bomb into the ground. The Indians he would starve to death as a result of their own folly and viciousness."

oh goody. tag team again......

but.....let's not do churchill again....it's been done to death all over the web......and please, can we do better than trawling wikipedia.....sheesh

Are we not fortunate that we need no recourse to all that  research and detail from Wikopedia because we have Land,Ology and Twitter to engage and inform us

And that free world is being managed by a "very stable genius"

16 hours ago, daisycutter said:

oh goody. tag team again......

but.....let's not do churchill again....it's been done to death all over the web......and please, can we do better than trawling wikipedia.....sheesh

I haven't followed any online debates about Churchill - got better things to do -  but have read a few biographies (especially the Manchester one) - I know the arguments, for and against, and agree that he was an extraordinary man, especially when he first took over the Prime Ministership and gave the Brits some backbone  - but no apologies for using Wikipedia -  if you are going to make any sort of assertion, Wikipedia is as reliable a source as you can find on the net - they go to extraordinary lengths to make sure that their information is reliably referenced, objective and unbiased. 

On 2/15/2017 at 12:00 PM, Choke said:

I honestly believe we'll be evaluating the performance of President Pence by the end of the year, such is the rate at which Trump is lurching from one self-inflicted crisis to another.

 

On 2/20/2017 at 2:58 PM, Choke said:

I stand by my comment that he won't be in power by the end of the year.

Which avatar should Choke select?  Straw poll! 

2 hours ago, Trisul said:

 

Which avatar should Choke select?  Straw poll! 

has to be Milo Yiannopoulos

5 hours ago, Trisul said:

 

Which avatar should Choke select?  Straw poll! 

I forgot about this.

Who did I say gets to pick?

Just checked, @Wrecker45 apparently.

Pick your subject and I will upload. I concede defeat.

Would use any of those @Ethan Tremblay but the bet was with Wrecker.

Still awaiting his response.

On 09/01/2018 at 8:00 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

@Choke we have a winner...

 

A year in and Trump hasn't disappointed.

He is everything he promised and more chaotic than anyone imagined

He even managed to pass a conservative agenda Tony Abbott would be jealous of:

From lower corporate and personal taxes, to tighter border control.

A more conservative Supreme Court, the scrapping of environmental and other regulatory red tape, withdrawal from the Paris Agreement and tougher on terror.

Wedging Little rocket man.

GDP, stock market and unemployment figures - all measurable are pointing towards a genius.

 

@Wrecker45

lol done

GDP, stock market and unemployment figures - all measurable are pointing towards a genius.

 

Didn't most of those things improve under Obama? (General recovery from the GFC)

6% GDP growth under Trump compared to a maximum of 3% under Obama. Hispanic unemployment at an all time low. 

Edited January 22, 20187 yr by Ethan Tremblay

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

6% GDP growth under Trump compared to a maximum of 3% under Obama. 

Fair enough. Thanks for saving me the trouble.  I suppose you do get a bit of a boost when you unleash the shackles on big business, increase inequality and indicate an eagerness to destroy the environment to increase profits.

 

Long term, we'll see (the last crash came at the end of an 8-year Republican party) 

24 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

6% GDP growth under Trump compared to a maximum of 3% under Obama. Hispanic unemployment at an all time low. 

Are you trolling? Jeez you know how to suck me back into this crap.

 

6% is a prediction made by Trump. Not an actual figure.

If your 3% under Obama stated above correct (I don't know if it is or not), then it is above the 30 year long-term average of 2.5%.

Source: http://fortune.com/2017/12/07/trump-us-gdp-growth-rate-economy-6-percent/

 

 

Now given the man can't keep his own government running atm, I'm not going to trust his economic forecasts. If he achieves 6% then good on him. I'll be happy. My super fund balance will be very happy.

And before you go blaming the Democrats for the shutdown, Trump said in 2013 that government shutdowns are the responsibility of presidents:

Trump spoke to “Fox & Friends” in 2013 and was asked who would be fired during a government shutdown, as shown in a clip posted by "Morning Joe."

“Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top,” Trump said. “I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.”

He said that further down in history, “when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time.”

“They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington,” Trump said.

“So I really think the pressure is on the president,” he added.

Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/369756-trumps-comments-blaming-obama-for-2013-government-shutdown-resurface

Fact check on source: https://www.snopes.com/trump-criticize-obama-shutdown/

 

The man who campaigned on his ability to make deals could not make a deal to keep his government from shutting down, despite the GOP having a majority in both houses which makes the negotiation significantly easier than if one was in minority.

Some more good quotes on the snopes page as well, Trump unleashes on Obama's lack of leadership, blaming the 2013 shut down on his inability to negotiate. Trump fails as a President by the standard he set himself while criticising his predecessor.

 

Terrific post, Choke. - but there must be a mistake somewhere. The man's a stable genius.

I think Donald is finally getting his Shyte together. This is spot on! 

21 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

6% GDP growth under Trump compared to a maximum of 3% under Obama. Hispanic unemployment at an all time low. 

Hey Ethan - dunno where you got your stats from, but Choke was quite right - coincidentally, there was an article about it in this morning's Age - by Peter Martin. IMF forecasts US growth from 2.3-2.7 % in 2018, then from 1.9% - 2.5 % in 2019.

 

Personally, I don't pay much attention to GDP. I reckon inequality is a better measure of how well a society is doing. If there are ten people in my street, one of them is a billionaire and the others have nothing, the stats will suggest we're all millionaires.

 

Interesting figure in yesterday's paper: the number of billionaires in Australia has doubled in the past few years, while wage growth has been sweet fa.

On 23/01/2018 at 9:13 AM, Jara said:

Hey Ethan - dunno where you got your stats from, but Choke was quite right - coincidentally, there was an article about it in this morning's Age - by Peter Martin. IMF forecasts US growth from 2.3-2.7 % in 2018, then from 1.9% - 2.5 % in 2019.

 

Personally, I don't pay much attention to GDP. I reckon inequality is a better measure of how well a society is doing. If there are ten people in my street, one of them is a billionaire and the others have nothing, the stats will suggest we're all millionaires.

 

Interesting figure in yesterday's paper: the number of billionaires in Australia has doubled in the past few years, while wage growth has been sweet fa.

Inequality is another virtue signaling buzzword of the left.

if your neighbour is a billionaire he/she is probably a much greater contributor to society than the other 9 people in the street.

it's likely he/she employs people, payes more taxes and donates more to charity.

Capitalism is brilliant in part because of its reward system. Some people will become disproportionately rich but for every billionaire there will be a large multiple of people who are dragged into a better life.

We can embrace the greater good or dwell on a small minority who's only crime is to make lots of money. Jealousy is a curse.