Training - Wednesday 14th December, 2016

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26 minutes ago, binman said:

Amazing Messi 42 Right Foot Goals

 

 

Ha ha, the danger of using the rhetorical device in argument! Put it down to the exception that proves the rule?

That was stunning viewing, by the way.

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38 minutes ago, Thrice said:

Could've saved you the trouble of a reply had you read the last line:

 

A moot point really, the coaches think it is the way to go.

From Saty in the training thread " I asked both Goody and Macca they want a team that can kick both sides to keep ball going forward, non preferred practice will be staying"

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45 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Never played Thrice?

At a stoppage, you gain possession and exit the defensive side of the pack, there are no clear players, as a right footer you turn left (anti clockwise) and the opposition knows that, what do you do? You go clockwise and kick on your left surprising the opposition. It only needs to work once a game or to do it once a game and the opposition have more difficulty trying to stop you. If every player does it once per game the opposition will have no idea where to defend at stoppages. 

It is another tool that every player should have, it spooks the opposition. It does not have to be as good as the preferred side just an option.

It's a great debate.

I get both sides of the argument and grew up playing in an era where the thought of ignoring your NP was sackable. However, we live in different times. I'm sure Luke Beveridge's answer to this based on how the Doggies played this year is to handpass out of the contest if you can't kick. They did this to great effect this year. Break the lines with super quick long clearing handpasses to someone in space and then this argument becomes academic. A handpass should be way more accurate even over 20+ metres than a dodgy NP kick.

 

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2 minutes ago, It's Time said:

It's a great debate.

I get both sides of the argument and grew up playing in an era where the thought of ignoring your NP was sackable. However, we live in different times. I'm sure Luke Beveridge's answer to this based on how the Doggies played this year is to handpass out of the contest if you can't kick. They did this to great effect this year. Break the lines with super quick long clearing handpasses to someone in space and then this argument becomes academic. A handpass should be way more accurate even over 20+ metres than a dodgy NP kick.

 

Mind you, some players seem to be as deficient on their non-preferred hand as their non-preferred foot.

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10 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Mind you, some players seem to be as deficient on their non-preferred hand as their non-preferred foot.

Then you do what the Doggies do 'La Dee'...you throw the thing.

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2 hours ago, binman said:

Amazing Messi 42 Right Foot Goals

 

 

The defence rests your honour

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22 hours ago, Thrice said:

Ha ha, the danger of using the rhetorical device in argument! Put it down to the exception that proves the rule?

That was stunning viewing, by the way.

Im not a big soccer fan but from the little i know a player who cant move naturally from left foot to right foot (not kicking on goals only but passing and controlling the ball) willl never make it to the top flight. Never. 

The same is true in basketball, though of course they only do lay ups with the np.

A key difference i supect is that afl players need to be much fitter than top flight soccer players so have much less time available to commit to skills.

Not sure about basketball but the nba players play so many games that i doubt tbey can physically do as much in season physical training and so probably do mainly skills and run plays between games

 

 

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1 hour ago, It's Time said:

It's a great debate.

I get both sides of the argument and grew up playing in an era where the thought of ignoring your NP was sackable. However, we live in different times. I'm sure Luke Beveridge's answer to this based on how the Doggies played this year is to handpass out of the contest if you can't kick. They did this to great effect this year. Break the lines with super quick long clearing handpasses to someone in space and then this argument becomes academic. A handpass should be way more accurate even over 20+ metres than a dodgy NP kick.

 

An excellent point time re hanballs. There should be no argument about the need to be able to use both hands equally well.

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3 hours ago, It's Time said:

What. You don't think he said that. 

i'm sure he said it, but sounds like he spoke bull$%!^ to me, it   

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On 12/14/2016 at 4:18 PM, tiers said:

Notice how many times large packs form and players have to scramble to just kick to clear out under helter skelter pressure. It became a feature of play in 2016. If a player is comfortable both sides, it provides another option for short clearance kicks otherwise he risks turning into the pack and having the kick smothered. Cunningly clever - it is all about options to dispose to a teammate to advantage, not long NP passes lace out at eye level.

Jones and Vince are naturals both sides. Watts can be hesitant and is not as effective. Brayshaw kicked a sausage roll this year from 50m on left foot after clever piece of evasion. Further Clarko recruited left footers for a reason - because they turn clockwise whereas the majority who are right footers turn anti-clockwise they have a natural advantge. Watch closely next season how Salem, Kent, Lewis Hibbert and the bi's have a advantage. The natural part is the turn, not the kick.

 

Watts is a neat kick on his wrong foot IMO. Jones is a bit hit and miss. I'd agree with Vince and Brayshaw being more than competent on their opposite foot.

On 12/14/2016 at 6:06 PM, Buffalo said:

From my experience coaching juniors, training on the non-preferred foot seems to automatically improve your kicking on the preferred side. Stuffed if I know why!

Surely, it's because you focus on balance and ball drop to use your non-preferred, so you then begin to think like that using your preferred.

Edited December 18, 2016 by A F

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I'm certain that the preferred foot will be used when able and when there's any degree of difficulty and the time to ececute, however, quick spread from the contest is pivotal to Goodwin's gameplan and being able to immediately swing on to your non-preferred foot opens up the field of play.  

It strikes me that the use of the non-preferred will predominantly be from a contest and out wide to a flank or wing and in this scenario it makes perfect sense and will limit liability.  It adds to fast play and will make us a super quick ball moving team.

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On 12/15/2016 at 11:35 PM, MrReims said:

Late entrant for sweeping statement of the year? Happy to hear your retort as I find the concept interesting but to just slam it and provide no counter is rude quite frankly

A biomechanics expert saying there is no point in practising on the opposite side of your body seems to be shooting him/herself in the foot.  Like a carpenter showing up to discuss a job and suggesting there is no need to build with wood.