Eddie and Caro

[stuie 7,374]

3 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

 

Yeah that was a blunt and uncalled for remark. But i just think Frawleys apology was right.  It was insensitive but it was not meant to support violence. I say that sort of thing as banter among my friends too and they do to me, water off a ducks back for us because we dont mean anything by it. I dont think they meant anything by it either. Actions speak louder than words for me and all of them do anything to support non-violence causes, which i think should be what rings through when it comes to these kinds of things. But sure we can crucify public figures for their words, I challenge you to spend that long in the public view and not slip up once in a while.

I don't think the comments when taken in context are as bad as some are making out. My problem is that Eddie refuses to acknowledge it was a poor comment in the current climate and he's sorry for making it. He just makes excuses and uses the old "I'm sorry if you were offended" approach. Accepting how it has been received by some and apologizing to the person it was aimed at doesn't have to mean he thinks the same as them, it just means he understands that not everyone will think how he does, and that's where he fails as a broadcaster, repeatedly. My problem is more that he won't see it from someone else's view, cop it, make amends and move on. There's bigger issues in this country than his fragile stubborn ego.

 

[stuie 7,374]

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I have just read the transcript of what was said. ( i am in Cambodia so not exactly Front Page news here)

If i had heard that on Radio i would have laughed. 

Let's be honest here 

in 2013 most of us here wanted to Smash Wilson to a pulp for what she wrote about Tanking

Absolute storm in a teacup...

But may Eddie not sleep for a few nights....

Ummmmmm what?

 

[Chris 2,892]

10 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

 

Yeah that was a blunt and uncalled for remark. But i just think Frawleys apology was right.  It was insensitive but it was not meant to support violence. I say that sort of thing as banter among my friends too and they do to me, water off a ducks back for us because we dont mean anything by it. I dont think they meant anything by it either. Actions speak louder than words for me and all of them do anything to support non-violence causes, which i think should be what rings through when it comes to these kinds of things. But sure we can crucify public figures for their words, I challenge you to spend that long in the public view and not slip up once in a while.

Sums it up for me

Have a watch of this video, it explains the power of words and attitudes that go with it and why this is an issue in stopping violence against women.

 

I don't know any of the three men at all and will as such give them the benefit that they are not violent or abusive, I have no evidence to say otherwise. They are in a position of influence, especially over the not so wise amongst our society and as such need to be very careful with these things. I think they get far too caught up in all the boys club crap that most football clubs go on with to even really know what is going on outside of that fishbowl. One a side note, that boys club crap is exactly why I stopped playing footy at under 19's, too many idiots going on with this sort of bull. 

[Salems Lot 2,493]

I think that the conversation was only identified by someone listening to a podcast of the radio show a couple of days ago hence it being well after the fact.

As for the comments making light or suggesting it is funny, the issue at hand is trying to create change in attitudes amongst the general public towards women.  Love her or hate her Caro is disproportionately set upon due to her gender.  To say that you have a joke like this with your mates does not make it right; rather it demonstrates how much of a problem it is.  These guys do have a moral compass (Barrett actually distanced himself from the joke at the time - kudos to him) but they choose not to use it.

As long as the people who are making these comments are white middle aged powerful men we have a problem that needs changing

(Spoken as a white middle aged man BTW)

[Undeeterred 3,123]

4 minutes ago, stuie said:

I don't think the comments when taken in context are as bad as some are making out. My problem is that Eddie refuses to acknowledge it was a poor comment in the current climate and he's sorry for making it. He just makes excuses and uses the old "I'm sorry if you were offended" approach. Accepting how it has been received by some and apologizing to the person it was aimed at doesn't have to mean he thinks the same as them, it just means he understands that not everyone will think how he does, and that's where he fails as a broadcaster, repeatedly. My problem is more that he won't see it from someone else's view, cop it, make amends and move on. There's bigger issues in this country than his fragile stubborn ego.

 

Classic way of non-apologising (and I don't mean about this issue, just generally)

[AzzKikA 2,371]

OMFG PC at it's finest.  Don't say anything about anyone and you will be fine, might make for terrible listening but thats ok, just so long as no one gets offended.

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

1 minute ago, Undeeterred said:

See, this is exactly the point with domestic violence.

'Mates' just 'joke' with each other about it and 'don't mean anything by it'.

Except that this is exactly what fuels the attitude that it's ok.

And I'd argue it's a hell of a lot easier to attend some stupid event and give lip service to a cause (any cause, that is) than it is actually back it up with consistent words. What you call a 'slip up' I call 'their real attitude'.

I don't like the suggestion that I think domestic violence is ok. Because thats not what I mean. What they said is wrong and no doubt it shouldn't have be said. But it was not said suggesting domestic violence is ok. It was said as a critisism of her journalism. Thats why i feel like they are being hung out to dry a little unfairly. I dont support what they said, i dont like some of them in general but that doesnt mean they should cop all the heat for a social issue.

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

I don't think the comments when taken in context are as bad as some are making out. My problem is that Eddie refuses to acknowledge it was a poor comment in the current climate and he's sorry for making it. He just makes excuses and uses the old "I'm sorry if you were offended" approach. Accepting how it has been received by some and apologizing to the person it was aimed at doesn't have to mean he thinks the same as them, it just means he understands that not everyone will think how he does, and that's where he fails as a broadcaster, repeatedly. My problem is more that he won't see it from someone else's view, cop it, make amends and move on. There's bigger issues in this country than his fragile stubborn ego.

 

That I can 100% agree with. He needs to appologise but people saying he should lose his job(s) thats a bit harsh i think

[Undeeterred 3,123]

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I have just read the transcript of what was said. ( i am in Cambodia so not exactly Front Page news here)

If i had heard that on Radio i would have laughed. 

Let's be honest here 

in 2013 most of us here wanted to Smash Wilson to a pulp for what she wrote about Tanking

Absolute storm in a teacup...

But may Eddie not sleep for a few nights....

Hope you've got something to do over in SE Asia while you're enjoying your Demonland holiday!

[Sir Why You Little 36,982]

2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Ummmmmm what?

 

Sorry Stuie i didn't put a GIF up

i forgot you don't use words...

And please don't tell me Wilson was not hammered hard on here because she was. 

Caro loves to go hard at The Man

She just copped a bit back and didn't like it. 

[Deeoldfart 8,005]

17 minutes ago, hemingway said:

They may be bogans, but this suggests that only bogans would behave this way. It does bogans a great disservice. Comments like this come about because of the boys club type mentality. They also come about due to bias, ignorance, over inflated egos and inappropriate attempts at humour. It comes about due to a misguided attempt to entertain. In one case, it comes about because the guy also has a bully type mentality. Most of us have also had occasion to make or have a cheap laugh at someone else's expense. Most of us immediately regret and feel guilt in so doing. Most of us learn from our mistakes. In this case, these guys and one in particular do not learn. 

Excellent summary Ernest ............ fools and buffoons all 3 of them.

[Chris 2,892]

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

I don't think the comments when taken in context are as bad as some are making out. My problem is that Eddie refuses to acknowledge it was a poor comment in the current climate and he's sorry for making it. He just makes excuses and uses the old "I'm sorry if you were offended" approach. Accepting how it has been received by some and apologizing to the person it was aimed at doesn't have to mean he thinks the same as them, it just means he understands that not everyone will think how he does, and that's where he fails as a broadcaster, repeatedly. My problem is more that he won't see it from someone else's view, cop it, make amends and move on. There's bigger issues in this country than his fragile stubborn ego.

 

I actually don't think Eddie is to in the wrong, his call about pushing her down the slide is fine, he over stepped the mark saying he hoped she stayed under and Spud ran over the line and kept running water boy style when he came out with jumping in and holding her down. JB really had little to do with it.

[Undeeterred 3,123]

2 minutes ago, AzzKikA said:

OMFG PC at it's finest.  Don't say anything about anyone and you will be fine, might make for terrible listening but thats ok, just so long as no one gets offended.

What's wrong with 'Gee what a crap journalist with no integrity' (or something else relevant to their professional relationship) rather than 'wouldn't it be great to drown her'.

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Sorry Stuie i didn't put a GIF up

i forgot you don't use words...

And please don't tell me Wilson was not hammered hard on here because she was. 

Caro loves to go hard at The Man

She just copped a bit back and didn't like it. 

Big difference between arguing about something or even questioning someone's journalistic integrity and wanting to "smash Wilson to a pulp".

Really poor comment.

 

[Sir Why You Little 36,982]

1 minute ago, Undeeterred said:

Hope you've got something to do over in SE Asia while you're enjoying your Demonland holiday!

Swimming and Cocktails

do enjoy the Melbourne Wind and rain...

[Chris 2,892]

3 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

I don't like the suggestion that I think domestic violence is ok. Because thats not what I mean. What they said is wrong and no doubt it shouldn't have be said. But it was not said suggesting domestic violence is ok. It was said as a critisism of her journalism. Thats why i feel like they are being hung out to dry a little unfairly. I dont support what they said, i dont like some of them in general but that doesnt mean they should cop all the heat for a social issue.

That I can 100% agree with. He needs to appologise but people saying he should lose his job(s) thats a bit harsh i think

Watch the video I posted above, it should help with why comments like these are an issue. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,982]

2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Big difference between arguing about something or even questioning someone's journalistic integrity and wanting to "smash Wilson to a pulp".

Really poor comment.

 

Go back to 2013 when the Heat was really on

she copped a lot and deserved it

Edited June 20, 2016 by Sir Why You Little

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Go back to 2013 when the Heat was really

she copped a lot and deserved it

Still missing the point WYL. I remember all the heat she copped for her journalism, but I don't recall anyone ever saying they wanted to beat her. Other than you just now.

 

[Chris 2,892]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Go back to 2013 when the Heat was really

she copped a lot and deserved it

The point Stuie is making is did she cop threats of violence (smashed to a pulp)? Nothing wrong with questioning her writing or integrity, heaps wrong with threats of violence. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,982]

7 minutes ago, Chris said:

The point Stuie is making is did she cop threats of violence (smashed to a pulp)? Nothing wrong with questioning her writing or integrity, heaps wrong with threats of violence. 

C'mon we all wanted to knock her down at the time

good old iron pants Wilson...

[dazzledavey36 54,282]

Dee-luded would have had a field day with this..

[The Big Sauce 25]

34 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Let's be honest here 

in 2013 most of us here wanted to Smash Wilson to a pulp for what she wrote about Tanking

 

Speak for yourself. You are no better than the three bogans with comments like that. Shameful 

[stuie 7,374]

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

C'mon we all wanted to knock her down at the time

good old iron pants Wilson...

Just digging deeper now WYL, and showing us a lot about you at the same time.

 

[Sir Why You Little 36,982]

Wilson goes hard at people in her writing because she knows she will get away with it...

[Chris 2,892]

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

C'mon we all wanted to knock her down at the time

good old iron pants Wilson...

Speak for yourself SWYL. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,982]

1 minute ago, The Big Sauce said:

Speak for yourself. You are no better than the three bogans with comments like that. Shameful 

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