6 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Your inane post is barely worthy of a response.

Clearly Frost can pinch hit as a second ruck and also play as a forward.  Just as clearly he's a dud forward and far more suited to a role in defence.  But you'd know this if you had any semblance of ability in analysing the game.

There's a reason the club picked up Weideman and Hulett.  We have a dearth of quality tall forwards.

I feel like you use inane in the wrong context, due to the fact it makes perfect sense to the response of your initial statement that I quoted.

Why would they continue Sam Frost in the forward/ruck role, which he could full well make his own, if he was envisioned by coaching staff to be a dud in this area? Therefore you either know more than the coaching staff, highly unlikely or you have no idea what you are talking about...

Clearly we have a lack of depth in the tall forward position and thus we rectuired more in this area after we had spent the last few seasons addressing the midfield issues that were much more prominent.

11 minutes ago, stuie said:

 

Dude, relax. Wouldn't be hanging your hat on a throwaway line in a Burgo puff piece in January.

 

I was just happy to find an article which had a direct quote from Paul Roos when we both used articles earlier in this post. He will play forward/ruck and may be moved into the backline in the future if he can not secure this spot when Dunn retires and O Mac isnt ahead of him as a KP defender.

1 minute ago, Mad_Melbourne said:

I was just happy to find an article which had a direct quote from Paul Roos when we both used articles earlier in this post. He will play forward/ruck and may be moved into the backline in the future if he can not secure this spot when Dunn retires and O Mac isnt ahead of him as a KP defender.

Let's just see where he lines up over the course of the season. It's January man, not even Roos is saying "100% definite this is the exact role Frost will play all year".

If you want to base things on that article you'll also notice his first position is listed as "key defender".

 

1 minute ago, Mad_Melbourne said:

I feel like you use inane in the wrong context, due to the fact it makes perfect sense to the response of your initial statement that I quoted.

Why would they continue Sam Frost in the forward/ruck role, which he could full well make his own, if he was envisioned by coaching staff to be a dud in this area? Therefore you either know more than the coaching staff, highly unlikely or you have no idea what you are talking about...

Clearly we have a lack of depth in the tall forward position and thus we rectuired more in this area after we had spent the last few seasons addressing the midfield issues that were much more prominent.

I was just happy to find an article which had a direct quote from Paul Roos when we both used articles earlier in this post. He will play forward/ruck and may be moved into the backline in the future if he can not secure this spot when Dunn retires and O Mac isnt ahead of him as a KP defender.

You summed it up, lack of depth in the role.

They know he's a far better defender, but if you've got other key defenders and are lacking in that forward/ruck role you may use a bandaid approach.  Frost is the bandaid.

Max King has a tonne of ability, but until he's ready alternative measures may be sought.  I hope like hell it's not Frost, because he is a poor forward.  I reckon he can be a terrific defender.  

So yes, obviously Frost may play forward, but nobody, including Roos, has it as their preference.  Surely this is obvious to you.

Frankly, l saw the recruitment of Frost partly as a response to the loss of Frawley (not Frawley as the reinvented forward but Frawley as the AA Fullback)! I feel our strategy should be grooming Weideman and Hulett for the Forward line and O. McDonald, Frost and Wagner as defenders.

Edited January 4, 20169 yr by CBDees

1 minute ago, ProDee said:

 I reckon he can be a terrific defender.  

So yes, obviously Frost may play forward, but nobody, including Roos, has it as their preference.  Surely this is obvious to you.

His attributes lead him to be a dangerous proposition as a forward/ruck and he showed glimpses of the potential to make this role his own. As he will continue to be used in this position, more than likely ahead of Pederson if fit, the club obviously sees he has the possibility to make this position his own.

Do I think its easier to play defender at this day and age if you are an athlete, yes, and it would make for an easier transition for a player of his athletiscism.
But I see alot of Stefan Martin in him and would not be surprised if he ends up locking it down our second ruck position, and do not at all think it is such a certainty that he will not be able to develop into this role.

I sort of see Frost as Ben Holland's shorter, more athletic younger brother. As such I'm not as sold on him as some here are. 

He is too short to play 2nd ruck aside from the odd cameo and hands up if you would be confident having him lining up for goal in a final. 

Really he can only end up as a defender where he can use his pace and gadget arms

I see Frost in the long-term as a backman, but perhaps the plan is to use him as the 2nd ruck/forward option while players like Weideman, Hulett and the Kings develop. I suspect that one day he will take over Dunn's role in the backline.

 

He looks much more natural down back than he does up forward.

Edited January 4, 20169 yr by Good Times Grimes
Translation from Kiwi to Aussie

23 minutes ago, Good Times Grimes said:

I see Frost in the long-term as a beckman,

Is that a New Zealand backman ?

37 minutes ago, nutbean said:

Is that a New Zealand backman ?

Damn autocorrect.... 

Why is Sam Frost being discussed in the Emma Quayle thread.

Anyway, he's got poor goal sense and set-shot capability. If he tidies those up he'll be a better proposition than Pedersen, but until then play him out of the backline for his strength and speed.

1 hour ago, fndee said:

I sort of see Frost as Ben Holland's shorter, more athletic younger brother. As such I'm not as sold on him as some here are. 

He is too short to play 2nd ruck aside from the odd cameo and hands up if you would be confident having him lining up for goal in a final. 

Really he can only end up as a defender where he can use his pace and gadget arms

How many FB or CHB in the AFL are elite users of the footy?

If Tmac can continue the form he displayed in the first 8-10 rounds last year and Frost can get on the ground and continue to build on his highlights from GWS which included making numerous contests to either spoil the ball or take an intercept mark then we don't have a problem. 

Yes also in Frosts highlights he decided to take the game on and go for a run as does Tmac on occasions, so we take that train of thought out of their heads by having Salem on one back flank and Melksham on the other. I think players like Stretch and ANB should also be training with both the mids and defenders. The greater flexibility we have as a team will help us rise up the ladder. If we only have one than get an injury we're back to square 1. 

I believe Roos likes versatility, I've heard him speak about it a lot... and Frosty offers that Forward and Back.

Gee I hope this bloke can get fit and stay fit - his footy issues are a worry

23 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

Gee I hope this bloke can get fit and stay fit - his footy issues are a worry

So is Frost's foot.

On 4 January 2016 at 8:40 AM, ProDee said:

Your inane post is barely worthy of a response.

Clearly Frost can pinch hit as a second ruck and also play as a forward.  Just as clearly he's a dud forward and far more suited to a role in defence.  But you'd know this if you had any semblance of ability in analysing the game.

There's a reason the club picked up Weideman and Hulett.  We have a dearth of quality tall forwards.

You seem to sound quite authoratitve in your call that he is a dud (offensive pejorative expression by the way) forward.   Can you please explain your reasons for your opinion?  As far as I know he has had little if any opportunity to confirm or refute that premise at AFL level.