Viv has played just 9 games for the season , with some of those as the sub with hardly any game time

Yet he ranks 7th at the club for total goal assists, and 2nd for goal assists per game!!

He is underrated

You're placing way too much relevance on one ordinary stat.

He's just a player. And one not worth arguing about, so I'll leave you to it.

Viv has played just 9 games for the season , with some of those as the sub with hardly any game time

Yet he ranks 7th at the club for total goal assists, and 2nd for goal assists per game!!

He is underrated

And still not getting the recognition he deserves.

Viv has played just 9 games for the season , with some of those as the sub with hardly any game time

Yet he ranks 7th at the club for total goal assists, and 2nd for goal assists per game!!

He is underrated

He should have had 3 GA on Sunday but the receivers all missed. Gawn's miss from about 20 out was disgraceful. The stat should be score assists.

You're placing way too much relevance on one ordinary stat.

He's just a player. And one not worth arguing about, so I'll leave you to it.

The setting up of goals and finding team mates in scoring positions is far from an ordinary stat

Magic Johnson wouldn't be happy with you ProDee

If the usual suspects get delisted/traded, and we don't get a plethora of quality mids banging our door down wanting to sign-up, Michie gets another year. At this stage he's depth, but with some development, hopefully he could be part of our inside midfield rotation.

He should have had 3 GA on Sunday but the receivers all missed. Gawn's miss from about 20 out was disgraceful. The stat should be score assists.

You've been his biggest fan and have come up with some good stats. I've not been a fan but decided to watch him closely yesterday. His first half was good but he fell away alarmingly in the second and just couldn't keep up with the pace of the game. 15 disposals to half time and 21 for the match. He's often been sub and I seem to recall you saying his game time is low but showing his possessions per minute high. When he's played full games what game time percentage has he played and how does that compare with other mids?

I wonder if his major problem is lack of a tank. Have you got any details on his third and forth quarter performances? The club of course will know this but with interchanges mooted to come down this could be a serious issue.

I'm still of the view that if he is in our best 22 then we are not where we want to be. But he was good in the first half yesterday before being unsighted in the second.

You've been his biggest fan and have come up with some good stats. I've not been a fan but decided to watch him closely yesterday. His first half was good but he fell away alarmingly in the second and just couldn't keep up with the pace of the game. 15 disposals to half time and 21 for the match. He's often been sub and I seem to recall you saying his game time is low but showing his possessions per minute high. When he's played full games what game time percentage has he played and how does that compare with other mids?

I wonder if his major problem is lack of a tank. Have you got any details on his third and forth quarter performances? The club of course will know this but with interchanges mooted to come down this could be a serious issue.

I'm still of the view that if he is in our best 22 then we are not where we want to be. But he was good in the first half yesterday before being unsighted in the second.

I get the stats from the MFC website. They are totals for the season not game specific. Don't have any quarter by quarter data. Did not see the game yesterday but according to the game stats he had 80% game time yesterday. Its a good point you make and I will see what I can find. I have all our games on iq so if I get the time may do it manually. I think his tank is okay. Speaking to him he says that he has increased his distance from 11 ks a game to almost 15 so that may have something to do with it. Sometimes I think they do 2 ks just rotating thru the bench.

Michie will never be more than fringe player because he doesn't do anything especially well. And his defensive work is nowhere near good enough.

That said, he was okay with ball in hand yesterday, and probably played himself on to the list for next year.

Coming into his sixth year on an AFL list Viv would want to do something special in the pre season to ensure that he is in the round 1 starting side.

One of the few to put his hand up this week. Looks to be improving every game he is out there. Keep.

I think he tries but isnt up to the rigours of AFL.

Spare parts player at best.

Move him on in my book.

Without being over the top positive about Viv, he did look OK on the weekend in a shocking team performance.

He was able to win the ball more consistently and get into space when most of the team was unable to do so.

His goal assists over the past few weeks have been his strength. A couple of times he has stuck out because he has broken out of a pack, run forward and kicked quickly into space (e.g. kick into Brayshaw in a previous game). This goes against Roos' handball back out of the pack to a man with forward vision but has worked because the ball has penetrated the forward line a lot quicker giving less time to the opposition to fill the space.

I agree his tank isn't great and along with Newton his defensive game still needs work (needs to run back a lot harder). But he has a solid body and decent push off a few steps. No standout qualities I agree but was told by a Freo staff member when we got him that he has a lot of grunt/aggression in and around the contest and just needed to keep his focus. Would like to see more of that in his tackling and attack on the football.

When you give a player a string of games he can work his way into a side. I hope he plays next weeks and continues to work on his game.

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Without being over the top positive about Viv, he did look OK on the weekend in a shocking team performance.

He was able to win the ball more consistently and get into space when most of the team was unable to do so.

His goal assists over the past few weeks have been his strength a couple of times he has stuck out because he has broken out of a pack, run forward and kicked quickly into space (e.g. kick into Brayshaw in a previous game). This goes against Roos' handball back out of the pack to a man with forward vision but has worked.

I agree his tank isn't great and along with Newton his defensive game still needs work (needs to run back a lot harder). But he has a solid body and decent push off a few steps. No standout qualities I agree but was told when we got him by a Freo staff member that he has a lot of grunt/aggression in and around the contest. Would like to see more of that in his tackling and attack on the football.

When you give a player a string of games he can work his way into a side. I hope he plays next weeks and continues to work on his game.

I think the side needs to work into him mongrel.

I am not a big fan but if the majority of yesterdays lot played as poorly as him we would have won.

Kent looked average last year and has been praised this year after playing only a few games. Small sample. Not sure why Viv isn't given as much time here....

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I think the side needs to work into him mongrel.

I am not a big fan but if the majority of yesterdays lot played as poorly as him we would have won.

OK I think I understand your backwards view. Thanks

OK I think I understand your backwards view. Thanks

They were 15 others who played far worse than him.

How is that?