1 hour ago, nutbean said:

Tmac can be very frustrating but this is way over the top.

25 disposals

12 intercepts

11 marks

1 goal

4 score involvements

7 pressure acts

6 intercept marks

99 pts for supercoach which subtracts points for clangers

88% DE

Yeah lets drop him    Bloody useless

1 minute ago, Bossdog said:

25 disposals

12 intercepts

11 marks

1 goal

4 score involvements

7 pressure acts

6 intercept marks

99 pts for supercoach which subtracts points for clangers

88% DE

Yeah lets drop him    Bloody useless

He does need to clean up some of his disposal and decision making. ( why on earth he kicked out from full back is beyond me)

88% DE  - i have commented before the DE is a bit of fluff stat as defenders tend to switch the ball around and short pass across the ground as the opposition zone will allows this - so there DE will always look better than say in an under midfielder like Tyson or Viney.

And as frustrating as TMac can be his good far outweighs his bad but if he improved this part of his game he would be an AA defender.

8 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

88% DE

And THAT is evidence of why that particular stat is useless.

A bunch of his kicks came flying back inside defensive 50 for a shot on goal by the Dogs in the first half.

 

1 minute ago, stuie said:

And THAT is evidence of why that particular stat is useless.

A bunch of his kicks came flying back inside defensive 50 for a shot on goal by the Dogs in the first half.

 

FCS.......Everybody says "Take risks" and when it comes off it is great........When it doesn't the poor players get lambasted as having poor decision making abilities

So supporters just want to take risks when they come off but not when they don't.....You can't have it both ways

At least Tom attempts to get the ball moving with his run out of the back line and, yes, it sometimes backfires.   It not his fault they are playing this zone thingy. 

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

And THAT is evidence of why that particular stat is useless.

A bunch of his kicks came flying back inside defensive 50 for a shot on goal by the Dogs in the first half.

 

said it before and ill say it again

Tmac - seasons DE 82% Jack Watts seasons DE 79.2% - who would rather have kicking the ball ? DE should be taken with a small grain of salt 

we are heading towards finals (probably next year) as good as JW has been this season deep down we all know he won't stand up in finals, due to his good form so far this season he has some trade value.

5 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

FCS.......Everybody says "Take risks" and when it comes off it is great........When it doesn't the poor players get lambasted as having poor decision making abilities

So supporters just want to take risks when they come off but not when they don't.....You can't have it both ways

At least Tom attempts to get the ball moving with his run out of the back line and, yes, it sometimes backfires.   It not his fault they are playing this zone thingy. 

Generally the mentality of "taking risks" for our team is about playing on, not kicking it straight to the opposition. That's a different kind of risk.

 

3 minutes ago, WhyAlwaysMe said:

we are heading towards finals (probably next year) as good as JW has been this season deep down we all know he won't stand up in finals, due to his good form so far this season he has some trade value.

do we all know that ? do we ?

How about we make the finals first and then worry about who will and won't stand up.

 

2 minutes ago, WhyAlwaysMe said:

we are heading towards finals (probably next year) as good as JW has been this season deep down we all know he won't stand up in finals, due to his good form so far this season he has some trade value.

Wow......What a statement that is.......Much better to trade a 100 game player that is starting to become the player we wanted for a pimpley face 18 year old who will need at least 3 years.    Give me a break.

7 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

FCS.......Everybody says "Take risks" and when it comes off it is great........When it doesn't the poor players get lambasted as having poor decision making abilities

So supporters just want to take risks when they come off but not when they don't.....You can't have it both ways

At least Tom attempts to get the ball moving with his run out of the back line and, yes, it sometimes backfires.   It not his fault they are playing this zone thingy. 

Actually you can have it both ways. Bernie Vince takes risks and I will concede that sometimes it doesn't come off  - however it is not usually because he disposes badly.

Tmac attempts to run out the back line don't (occasionally ) backfire because he takes a risky option - it backfires because at times under little pressure he disposes poorly.

I would prefer the Tmac continue to attack and run - I just want him to take the 2-3 bad disposals per game out of his game ( the difference is kicking to a contest vs kicking straight to the opposition)

 

4 minutes ago, stuie said:

Generally the mentality of "taking risks" for our team is about playing on, not kicking it straight to the opposition. That's a different kind of risk.

 

And TMac is the only one who does this.  Is he?    Geees 

10 minutes ago, WhyAlwaysMe said:

we are heading towards finals (probably next year) as good as JW has been this season deep down we all know he won't stand up in finals, due to his good form so far this season he has some trade value.

I actually think he will.

We won't know for sure until it happens, but the way he got himself back into the game on Sunday to me shows that he's over whatever mental demons he might have previously had.

In fact I wish more of his team mates lifted in the second half as he did.

2 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

And TMac is the only one who does this.  Is he?    Geees 

Yep that's what I said, TMac is the only one....

18 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

First half he was nowhere. His dropped mark was terrible, and has become a bit of a pattern. But then he worked his way into it. It was a weird game by Jack.

He wasn't alone in the dropped marks - TGGM and Hogan also dropped 'sitter' chest marks.

18 hours ago, binman said:

Poor in the first half - like Hogan just didn't seem switched on. That said gut run a number of times and players failed to honour the run to space.

I was impressed by his effort to turn his game around and keep competing. Sublime kick. 

That happened quite a bit v GC too, but the space so created was used better (or was allowed to be used better) in that game.  

Not every lead will nor should ever be honoured, but the leads should still be made to open up space.  We just failed to use that space yesterday.

19 minutes ago, nutbean said:

do we all know that ? do we ?

How about we make the finals first and then worry about who will and won't stand up.

 

Exactly, we should Waite and see, absurd to suggest otherwise.

Jack dropped a mark, big deal....it happens.

I reckon the coaching team in the review would be a bit more concerned that he failed to block Easton - Woods run and let him pull down a big grab in the first...I think Jack actually knew it though.

All in all I thought he was good, he gave an option, used the ball well and got involved. Not everyone's going to be a beast at the contest.

21 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

Wow......What a statement that is.......Much better to trade a 100 game player that is starting to become the player we wanted for a pimpley face 18 year old who will need at least 3 years.    Give me a break.

He's already been on the table but no reasonable offers, MFC must see it differently to you

3 hours ago, leehow said:

Was absolutely burnt by Kennedy on the Southern stand wing when he was 30 metrea in the clear. Not his best game, but he presented and as others have said, his disposal was generally first class 

If watts got a dollar for every time he was burnt by someone he could double his salary 

5 minutes ago, WhyAlwaysMe said:

He's already been on the table but no reasonable offers, MFC must see it differently to you

And Jetta was delisted...and I would suggest now he is one of the first picked every week.

And Trengove was almost at Richmond and that fell through and he got a one year contract extension.

Seems that the club may be a bit more "fluid" in its thinking than some posters.

1 hour ago, WhyAlwaysMe said:

we are heading towards finals (probably next year) as good as JW has been this season deep down we all know he won't stand up in finals, due to his good form so far this season he has some trade value.

Surely trolling.

Watts is playing career best footy, we are stricken for quality tall forwards and he has never played finals. Your logic is breathtaking.

1 hour ago, Django said:

Surely trolling.

Watts is playing career best footy, we are stricken for quality tall forwards and we have never played finals. Your logic is breathtaking.

Well not for a while granted, but we have played in plenty, won a few too.

3 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Well not for a while granted, but we have played in plenty, won a few too.

Apologies, meant to write he has never played finals. Fixed.

We've barely played finals in my lifetime, anyway.

Should we have taken NicNat?

3 minutes ago, praha said:

Should we have taken NicNat?

The angst over Hogan and Fremantle is enough to try and cope with, thank you very much.

At the end of their careers, I think we'll look back and be pretty happy with the decision to take Watts at 1.

2 hours ago, Bossdog said:

FCS.......Everybody says "Take risks" and when it comes off it is great........When it doesn't the poor players get lambasted as having poor decision making abilities

So supporters just want to take risks when they come off but not when they don't.....You can't have it both ways

At least Tom attempts to get the ball moving with his run out of the back line and, yes, it sometimes backfires.   It not his fault they are playing this zone thingy. 

Yeah nah. That is too convenient an excuse. He kicks to opposition players standing 5 to 10 metres on their own. That has nothing to do with taking risks. That's just poor execution.

His skill errors directly result in opposition goals every week. Let's not pretend otherwise. His marking and reading of the the flight is generally very good. I'd prefer to see him handing the ball off to a Salem or a Vince, because there seems to be a gross overestimation of his kicking.