So that would leave Gawnius Maximus as the sole ruckman with Pedersen as the only back up. King is far too far off at this stage. If Max misses a game then let's try <insert anyone> to ruck all day.

jack watts can cameo

jack watts can cameo

It's been a career of cameos so shouldn't be a problem

Update...

Toumpas swap for Sam Kerridge (Crows)

Howe swap for Jarrod Redden (Lions)

Swap MFC 2nd round pick for Ben Kennedy (Magpies)

DFA Jed Adcock

delist. Bail Riley Mckenzie M Jones Terlich Fitz Jamar (ret)

Upgrade Vdberger Harmes

draft picks 5 (Harley Balic), 43 (Ryan Clarke),61 (*Aaron Black delisted Kangaroo)

Jedcock isn't good enough 4 Lions, but let's take him. No more NQRs or those at the end of their prime I'm sick of us been seen as a retirement home.

We need to keep Fitzy and Spencer, particularly with Jamar likely finishing up.

Mature tall depth is invaluable over 23 rounds (and hopefully a couple more weeks)

especially at the moment when rucks are expected to run all game, & get buffeted. the late thinking is to rest them,

For mine we keep Fitzy.

Tall, fast, can kick a goal, can play Ruck, forward or back. No star but he is a keeper.

We have plenty of others who can go before him like, Bail, Terlich, M. Jones, Jamar, McKenzie, Riley and maybe Michie. Howe could be traded and Garland could leave under FA. If they all went that is 9 changes.

at 24yrs 1mth, & a late developer who is 99Kgs & 200cms, who can run like the wind, he must be kept for further development; especially since we are only Now getting our teaching assistant coach roles filled by talented people.

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& promote your No 2, to spell them. if one gets injures no depth is poor management.

i'll see your options, and raise you...

patrick dangerfield - free agent

harley bennell and gc17 2016 second round pick - 2015 mfc first rounder and howe

jack redden - 2016 mfc second round pick

jed adcock - delisted free agent

tom lynch - jimmy toumpas and 2016 mfc third round pick

adam tomlinson - gc17 2016 second round pick

james harmes - 2015 mfc 'last pick in draft' rookie upgrade

aaron vandenberg - 2015 mfc 'second last pick in draft' rookie upgrade

so in:

patrick dangerfield

harley bennell

jack redden

jed adcock

tom lynch

adam tomlinson

out:

howe

jimmy toumpas

2015 first rounder

2016 third rounder

garland (free agent)

delisted:

mckenzie

riley

jamar

bail

matt jones

terlich (paid out)

take to the draft:

second, third and fourth round picks (plus two 'upgrades')

two rookie list picks

Obviously, this would be a dream. Dangerfield and Bennell, let alone Tomlinson. Not going to happen though unfortunately.

Update...

Toumpas swap for Sam Kerridge (Crows)

Howe swap for Jarrod Redden (Lions)

Swap MFC 2nd round pick for Ben Kennedy (Magpies)

DFA Jed Adcock

delist. Bail Riley Mckenzie M Jones Terlich Fitz Jamar (ret)

Upgrade Vdberger Harmes

draft picks 5 (Harley Balic), 43 (Ryan Clarke),61 (*Aaron Black delisted Kangaroo)

Love it!!

Also lets throw the grandstand for a player who can come in a Captain Straight away!

Hnmm Let me see who is out there who might entertain a move with the captaincy thrown in!??

I wonder if Brisbane would be silly enough to take Dawes for Redden?

Trade Jack Watts for a second rounder. Just get it over n fucken done with

What I would like to see happen, but obviously can't for logistical reasons, is for the MFC to be allowed to have an 'amnesty' of sorts. We should be exempt from the limit of players that can be turned over. We should once and for all interview each and every player to determine those that have some kind of issue with the club and don't really want to be there anymore. Every one of them should be put up for trade to find a mutually beneficial outcome, or delisted if none can be found, so that once and for all the supporters may have a chance of seeing a group take the field that seem to give a $ hit.

I would not exclude any player from the process. If our best young players don't like it at MFC they will soon be producung the apathetic, sooky performances that have become so prevalent and expected at the MFC. This would be their chance to speak up and fark off.

We would need to be granted more draft picks because from what we see there must be a large number who fit in the category of having some kind of problem with the MFC.

Delist:

• Matt Jones (pay out)
• Terlich (pay out)
• Riley
• Bail
• Fitzpatrick
• Hunt (rookie spot if lucky)
• Garland (or walk as RFA)
• McKenzie
• Grimes

Retire:

• Jamar
• Cross

Will be traded:

• Toumpas (might get a fourth round pick in return if lucky, otherwise delist or rookie)
• Howe

Should look at trading if right deal comes along:

• Tom McDonald
• Watts
• Dawes

Rookies:

• vandenBerg (promoted already)
• Harmes (another year on rookie list if possible)
• King (another year on rookie list if possible)
• White (no idea)

Edited August 23, 20159 yr by Clint Bizkit

Brainstorming exercise.....................

If Fyfe was a Victorian (and he's not), would you consider Fyfe for Hogan plus 3rd round pick this Christmas.

The lure for Hogan to go home and awful supply will get to him eventually.

What would WC give up for him?

Gaff (23 y.o) & Shuey?

Gaff, Lamb and 1st round pick next year?

Hogan's price is high. If the inevitable will happen one day, might as well cash in big in the boom.

Why would you trade McDonald... Let's play with fo defenders

Delist grimes.... Please what game are you watching!

Delist:

• Matt Jones (pay out)
• Terlich (pay out)
• Riley
• Bail
• Fitzpatrick
• Hunt (rookie spot if lucky)
• Garland (or walk as RFA)
• McKenzie
• Grimes

Retire:

• Jamar
• Cross

Will be traded:

• Toumpas (might get a fourth round pick in return if lucky, otherwise delist or rookie)
• Howe

Should look at trading if right deal comes along:

• Tom McDonald
• Watts
• Dawes

Rookies:

• vandenBerg (promoted already)
• Harmes (another year on rookie list if possible)
• King (another year on rookie list if possible)
• White (no idea)

Got to keep Tmac

Got to keep Tmac

Even if in return we could get a good midfielder?

Brainstorming exercise.....................

If Fyfe was a Victorian (and he's not), would you consider Fyfe for Hogan plus 3rd round pick this Christmas.

The lure for Hogan to go home and awful supply will get to him eventually.

What would WC give up for him?

Gaff (23 y.o) & Shuey?

Gaff, Lamb and 1st round pick next year?

Hogan's price is high. If the inevitable will happen one day, might as well cash in big in the boom.

I don't hate the idea because this kind of ruthlessness isn't in Melbourne's DNA, but with the type of talent that Hogan is I'd like us to try and do everything we can to keep him.

It's time to just go to the draft and build an entire list around Hogan and Brayshaw. It's clear by now that the so-called "senior" players aren't up to scratch.

Look at what the Saints have built around Riewoldt and GWS around Cameron.

Brainstorming exercise.....................

If Fyfe was a Victorian (and he's not), would you consider Fyfe for Hogan plus 3rd round pick this Christmas.

The lure for Hogan to go home and awful supply will get to him eventually.

What would WC give up for him?

Gaff (23 y.o) & Shuey?

Gaff, Lamb and 1st round pick next year?

Hogan's price is high. If the inevitable will happen one day, might as well cash in big in the boom.

Can we get a dislike button, please?

I really think we have the young core to go somewhere, the older heads are what concern me,

Brayshaw, Hogan, Viney, Tyson, Petracca, Neal-Bullen, Tmac, Gawn and co should make a decent core to take the club forward, but while the teams leaders are blokes like

Chris Dawes, Jeremy Howe, Colin Garland, Jack Grimes how can we really expect to move forward

I personally would be really keen to see

Dawes, Grimes, Toumpas, Howe, Garland all leave the club over the off season either via trade of Free agency.

if we could somehow get something in return that'd be great.

I really think we have the young core to go somewhere, the older heads are what concern me,

Brayshaw, Hogan, Viney, Tyson, Petracca, Neal-Bullen, Tmac, Gawn and co should make a decent core to take the club forward, but while the teams leaders are blokes like

Chris Dawes, Jeremy Howe, Colin Garland, Jack Grimes how can we really expect to move forward

I personally would be really keen to see

Dawes, Grimes, Toumpas, Howe, Garland all leave the club over the off season either via trade of Free agency.

if we could somehow get something in return that'd be great.

Agreed, mate. Happy to see all those mentioned depart.

We need to keep building our midfield. We're gonna need to pay for it. I'd offer Danger a front-loaded 5 year contract at $1.5mill. I'd also trade future picks to GWS for Treloar and offer him $800,000 at 7 years front-loaded. I'd then put an offer to Hogan mid next year of 10 years at $1.7mill a year. We have to be bold. All draft picks should be up for grabs and in a weak draft year, we should be targeting current AFL players. A graders only. Easier said than done.

Edited August 23, 20159 yr by AdamFarr

Delist:

• Matt Jones (pay out)
• Terlich (pay out)
• Riley
• Bail
• Fitzpatrick
• Hunt (rookie spot if lucky)
• Garland (or walk as RFA)
• McKenzie
• Grimes

Retire:

• Jamar
• Cross

Will be traded:

• Toumpas (might get a fourth round pick in return if lucky, otherwise delist or rookie)
• Howe

Should look at trading if right deal comes along:

• Tom McDonald
• Watts
• Dawes

Rookies:

• vandenBerg (promoted already)
• Harmes (another year on rookie list if possible)
• King (another year on rookie list if possible)
• White (no idea)

Good to see Michie not on this list, there are many more to go before him.

I'd agree with most of these, including having no idea about White!

TMac I don't want to be traded, and I think Grimes and Garland won't be delisted. Grimes especially has shown today what he is capable of

I also would like to see Cross stay on, I think he is a ball-winner and he has potential, despite his age.

Think Roos had a pretty telling comment in his post-match today. It would seem the conservative delistings the club intended is off the cards now. Looks like another 1/4 list exodus this off-season after today's effort.

Seems pretty clear that Roos and his coaches had a certain tolerance for poor performances over the first year, but those credits have been exhausted now. Would like to see a tangible response instead of just hot air from Roos.

Edited August 23, 20159 yr by Lamashtu

Think Roos had a pretty telling comment in his post-match today. It would seem the conservative delistings the club intended is off the cards now. Looks like another 1/4 list exodus this off-season after today's effort.

I just watched the presser. I must have missed that. I couldn't hear any of the questions. Did he mention list changes? It's possible there could be 10 or so, but we'd wanna be bringing in B graders at least, otherwise there's almost no point.

Edited August 23, 20159 yr by AdamFarr

Roos: "You're looking at habits and patterns... clearly there's patterns we've identified. What's the result of that? It's fairly obvious what happens. Melbourne people are sick of the same excuses. They'd come and expect more from the first half."

On the scars of the past: "I don't really care what it is, anymore, to be honest. It's just about performance. We've got to improve our performance as a footy club, and while I was sympathetic to the club and where it's been, the coaching group has been here for long enough now that it's not about where we've been and more about where we're going."

Roos: "You're looking at habits and patterns... clearly there's patterns we've identified. What's the result of that? It's fairly obvious what happens. Melbourne people are sick of the same excuses. They'd come and expect more from the first half."

On the scars of the past: "I don't really care what it is, anymore, to be honest. It's just about performance. We've got to improve our performance as a footy club, and while I was sympathetic to the club and where it's been, the coaching group has been here for long enough now that it's not about where we've been and more about where we're going."

So you're taking it to mean that there will be more changes than originally expected? Surely it hasn't surely since two weeks ago when Roos said there wouldn't be as many changes?

Not saying there shouldn't be lots of players shown the door though. We could probably lose anywhere between 8 and 10 players.

Edited August 23, 20159 yr by AdamFarr

I want Watts, Garland, Howe, Lumumba, Bail, Grimes, McKenzie, Terlich and Toumpas gone.