You select a team to beat an opponent.

GC are full of young energetic runners throughout the midfield and back line.

I felt we were short in that match up.

It has been proven that Brayshaw can read a game. He can go and get the ball as well as receive it.

He certainly has goal sense, and he doesn't mind a bit of Argy Bargy.

What part of football does grimes have that he doesn't?

when was all this 'proven' about AB? For mine, nobody has 'proven' anything until they've done what they do in an AFL game for premiership points on a consistent basis

You actually said he would have "nil impact", so he doesn't need to do much to prove you wrong.

Don't go trying to change your story already Curry.

surely I don't need to explain that I wasn't suggesting he would have zero touches

He needs to do more to contribute to a win than one of the blokes he tipped out (Grimes/MJones) would have done

So many depressing killjoys in this thread.. well a couple anyway

Now if youll excuse me I am off to get excited about an outstanding young footballer thats debuting for the MFC in 24 hours

why aren't we allowed to raise the question of whether a player selection was the correct call?

seems to me like an entirely appropriate discussion on a footy talk website

I'm bloody excited too, the two thoughts aren't mutually exclusive

Sorry Saty, you need more than simple (simple-minded) contradiction to produce anything like humour.

Unless of course you want us to believe that every solecism, every absurdity in expression, every sentence of yours disappearing up its own fundament in all these threads is actually a brilliantly constructed and sustained act of comic genius. Why didn't you let us in on the joke before now?

Dr Phil, I understand, is a psychologist. Why you think he'd have any understanding of demotic expression that might be used as a comparative I have no idea ... whoops, of course, it was a joke, you're just pretending to look stupid and not making some shallow effort at sarcasm at all. Must pay attention.

Nor did you explain the first point in your chain of contradictions, but obviously that's just the prerogative of the true wit.

Are you going to discuss football in any way, shape or form at any stage

Or do you think we would rather read your critique of another poster

He'll get a run on the ball, but even if you were right, players likely to be confined to a forward type role are far more likely to be given a final spot on the interchange bench than a player, like Grimes, who is limited to a stopping/defensive role. Grimes is a hopeless midfielder and would be lost in the forward-line.

can someone remind me, I believe Grimes was a genuine midfielder as a junior wasn't he? Just like Watts was a genuine KPF. Both have ended up flankers. Boy have we been stiff

It's a salivating thought that in 12 months time, we will already have another player of equal or better calibre (Petracca) ready to step into the team and that's not to mention ANB and Billy Stretch. Like many, this is probably the one day in the year of greatest optimism for Demon fans.

There's also Trengove coming off the LTI and another good prospect with about pick 6 (I spose)

Oh great. Any other club's supporters would be thrilled their no 3 pick was playing his first game for their team and look forward to him doing well. Look at the joy on Tiger supporters at the debut of McIntosh. On Land we have losers who expect him to fail, perhaps even hope for him to fail so that their pessimistic opinion is proven right. FMD...

nobody, I mean nobody, is that insane moon

you have to be a realist though and look at whats happened with all our high picks since Cale Morton (even McLean and Sylvia)

fingers crossed that under a new regime we get it right from now on

Anyone notice how Brayshaw's debut has gotten much media attention. You hear about the likes of De Goey and Heeney but nothing from Brayshaw which i think is fantastic considering the media had always pumped our high draft picks ala Jack Watts etc.

I like it like this.

i know I am on a bit of a negative bender at the moment, but I feel like the 'footy world' views a high draft pick debuting for the MFC as: 'hhmmm yeah we've seen this, happens every year for no result.. what else is going on?'

surely I don't need to explain that I wasn't suggesting he would have zero touches

He needs to do more to contribute to a win than one of the blokes he tipped out (Grimes/MJones) would have done

Stop moving the goal posts. You said "nil impact".

just read this quote off bigfooty:

"The last time the Melbourne Football Club started the season with a win, Angus Brayshaw was nine years old."

From all accounts he deserved the call up due to his performance, which makes a nice change. Go Angus!

just read this quote off bigfooty:

"The last time the Melbourne Football Club started the season with a win, Angus Brayshaw was nine years old."

Yawn .. yes, we have been awful in round 1 for ages, with a minor exception for the draw in 2011. If you want to get into omens, the last time we won in round 1, the team coached by Roos won the flag after a long drought ...

I just picked Grimes as the 'best' example of the player who is missing out for Brayshaw, not sure how much their positions come into it, I doubt it made much difference in the selection.. but IF howe is playing HBF you can clearly argue that he is the one who pushed Grimes out.. if that is the case then yes, you can probably say Brayshaw took the spot of M.Jones (not Grimes).

Howe will play HBF as that's where he's trained all pre season, coaches clearly like him there. In fact, judging from last year's most regular back 6, it has been Salem who has taken Grimes' HBF spot..... With Frost & H able to pinch hit back there depending on matchups. I thought 1 of Garland's or Grimes' spot was in jeopardy to make way for Salem.

Brayshaw's form was ahead of that of Michie, M. Jones, Bail & McKenzie. Whether he's 100% ready or not (in terms of age/exprience), he comes in looking like the most damaging midfielder based on pre season game time. It's really quite a simple selection guys, those other boys made Gus' selection easy by underwhelming in pre season games. Gus will give us a massive injection of go & enthusiasm out on the field, he will get midfield minutes sub or not.

Anyone notice how Brayshaw's debut has gotten much media attention. You hear about the likes of De Goey and Heeney but nothing from Brayshaw which i think is fantastic considering the media had always pumped our high draft picks ala Jack Watts etc.

I like it like this.

They've been to busy pumping up hogan to even mention Brayshaw

Stop moving the goal posts. You said "nil impact".

do you really think i will be suckered into this childish, pedantic attempt at baiting? you know exactly what i mean, i have made it very clear several times now

'moonshadow likes this' lol

Brayshaw's form was ahead of that of Michie, M. Jones, Bail & McKenzie

interesting that you can apparently have form without even playing

interesting that you can apparently have form without even playing

Casey form doesn't count now? That's news to me. Better call the club quickly mate, you'll need to let them know.

Casey form doesn't count now? That's news to me. Better call the club quickly mate, you'll need to let them know.

does it? we are not even talking about casey form, we are talking about casey practice match form which is an extra rung down

besides, all you know is that a few here, based on nothing, said he 'has dominated every game' while most that actually saw the games disagreed entirely

how about this? I'll bet you that Brayshaw's supercoach score tomorrow is less than Matt Jones' average score from last year. Deal/?

Casey form mattered enough to keep Vince out smart ass.

And get Brayshaw in. Or did you miss that fact?

does it? we are not even talking about casey form, we are talking about casey practice match form which is an extra rung down

besides, all you know is that a few here, based on nothing, said he 'has dominated every game' while most that actually saw the games disagreed entirely

how about this? I'll bet you that Brayshaw's supercoach score tomorrow is less than Matt Jones' average score from last year. Deal/?

So practice matches are a rung down? So the NAB games, which are practice games, are also a rung down so it makes it even with VFL practice games going by your logic.

He was named in the best for every game. He was clearly doing all the things asked of him by the coaching team. Otherwise he wouldn't have received the praise and the promotion for Round 1 if he didn't.

And thanks for the childish 'deal'. You should be hoping like crazy he does do better in SC as it will mean good things for Gus and the team.

do you really think i will be suckered into this childish, pedantic attempt at baiting? you know exactly what i mean, i have made it very clear several times now

'moonshadow likes this' lol

Yes, I do know exactly what you mean. "Nil impact".

Apologies to DA.

I laughed quite a bit. Made all that worth reading.

Odds are still in favour of Brayshaw doing nil and us losing comfortably.

no i'll be saying 'that's all you can expect from a zero-gamer'

it is more than likely any debutant is not going to have much impact

what part am I making up

Few people in this thread better hope Brayshaw has a big impact tomorrow. [censored] snipers.

Oh great. Any other club's supporters would be thrilled their no 3 pick was playing his first game for their team and look forward to him doing well. Look at the joy on Tiger supporters at the debut of McIntosh. On Land we have losers who expect him to fail, perhaps even hope for him to fail so that their pessimistic opinion is proven right. FMD...

nobody, I mean nobody, is that insane moon

It's self evident that you expect him to fail Curry. At round 1 most supporters should be brimming with confidence and backing their club. I am and I do.

So many depressing killjoys in this thread.. well a couple anyway

Now if youll excuse me I am off to get excited about an outstanding young footballer thats debuting for the MFC in 24 hours

There's something just a little bit creepy about this post when you read that second line

I just picked Grimes as the 'best' example of the player who is missing out for Brayshaw, not sure how much their positions come into it, I doubt it made much difference in the selection.. but IF howe is playing HBF you can clearly argue that he is the one who pushed Grimes out.. if that is the case then yes, you can probably say Brayshaw took the spot of M.Jones (not Grimes).

As thevil1 has pointed out Grimes spot has been taken by Salem playing a new role. Brayshaw is not responsible for Grimes or any of the other six players missing any more than Vanders, Frosty or any of the others who,have earned their spots. The only one to blame is themselves and I suspect that they will all get a run in the starting 22 as soon as they force there way back via Casey.