Jump to content


Recommended Posts

Posted

And Essendon would be keen to trade him on to potentially get an extra draft pick. That said, is Bellchambers a free agent?If I were GWS who would I prefer? Jamar or Bellchambers? You'd have to say Jamar is a better tap ruckman, but is getting old. Bellchambers is younger but isn't as good. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.We can only hope that our ability to bundle Jamar with a draft pick would give us an advantage over Essendon. They most certainly won't be trading picks, I wouldn't have thought.

Bellchambers shits all over Jamar. I know which one GWS would target.

Forget this farcical delusion that clubs are going to take our rubbish. Especially for a gun, young player.

GWS may have had a fleeting interest in Jamar last year but 1) he hasn't exactly improved his value going by his 2013, and 2) they certainly wouldn't give up anything of worth to get him across.

At least 6-8 clubs would be looking at Adams if he wants out. Lets stop kidding ourselves that we wouldn't have to give up serious quality to get him. And for those saying "just pay him a heavily front-ended contract", I don't think we would have much disposable with the $$$ Clark and Dawes are on.

Posted

I don't think that our second rounder and Jamar is fanciful given our strong position in the PSD. We need Adams to nominate us as his club of preference, which would give us the whip hand. I would consider a deal including Tom McDonald and Dom Tyson.

Posted

Geez there's some sooky pants know it alls here.

GWS wanted Jamar last year, now Brogan has retired. It's not a crazy scenario at all.

  • Like 6
Posted (edited)

Bellchambers shits all over Jamar. I know which one GWS would target.

Forget this farcical delusion that clubs are going to take our rubbish. Especially for a gun, young player.

GWS may have had a fleeting interest in Jamar last year but 1) he hasn't exactly improved his value going by his 2013, and 2) they certainly wouldn't give up anything of worth to get him across.

At least 6-8 clubs would be looking at Adams if he wants out. Lets stop kidding ourselves that we wouldn't have to give up serious quality to get him. And for those saying "just pay him a heavily front-ended contract", I don't think we would have much disposable with the $$$ Clark and Dawes are on.

The Clark and Dawes contracts are heavily front-loaded. We have so much cap room, we don't know what to do with it. Offer Adams $500,000 for four years, front load the hell out of it and see if he bites.

Edited by AdamFarr

Posted

I'd trade our second pick (#3 I presume) for Adams, but not #1. I'd go Boyd with that. I'd then pick inside mids with our following two picks.

So that'd be Boyd, Adams and two young mids. That's a good start. I'd throw a stack of cash at Brad Sewell and someone like Josh Kennedy (Syd) and see what comes our way.

Posted

Geez there's some sooky pants know it alls here.

GWS wanted Jamar last year, now Brogan has retired. It's not a crazy scenario at all.

Did you see Jamar play this year? He couldn't jump more than a few centimetres off the ground. Not to mention he has had 1 good year in 10 and that was over 3 seasons ago. Sure see what bites but don't be surprised if other clubs scoff at you for wasting their time (look at Essendon's recent trading history to see how far overvaluing your players gets you).

A ruckman they may want is Gawn. Still young, plenty of potential but also a risk for us due to his injury history. Don't get me wrong I'd love to keep Maxy I love the guy but if Clark is able to ruck with either Spencer or Fitzpatrick and we can get another back up on the rookie list it's something worth considering especially if we can inject some hardness and quality into our sub-Saharan midfield.

  • Like 1

Posted (edited)

I think the description you were looking for was "realists".

So would someone have been classified as a 'realist' if, when we were getting squashed like mushy peas at the start of the season said 'don't worry everyone we'll have Paul Roos coaching us next year'?

Edited by DeeMfc

Posted

So would someone have been classified as a 'realist' if, when we were getting squashed like mushy peas at the start of the season said 'don't worry everyone we'll have Paul Roos coaching us next year'?

Not sure what that has to do with overrating Mark Jamar's worth on the trade table.

At all.

  • Like 1
Posted

I'd trade our second pick (#3 I presume) for Adams, but not #1. I'd go Boyd with that. I'd then pick inside mids with our following two picks.

So that'd be Boyd, Adams and two young mids. That's a good start. I'd throw a stack of cash at Brad Sewell and someone like Josh Kennedy (Syd) and see what comes our way.

Would be over the moon if we got those 3 or 4 players. Although I'd still like to get Aish in there somewhere too...

Posted

Not sure what that has to do with overrating Mark Jamar's worth on the trade table.

At all.

I was more referring to the scenario of getting Adams across with pick 19ish plus a player type of trade. Which I thought you were as well. More in line with the thread topic of Adams rather than Jamars worth on his own.
Posted

No, I have no idea what the prospects of getting Paul Roos has to do with Taylor Adams and potential trade scenarios. Or more to the point whether Jamar + our second pick would satisfy GWS.

My point is that if we want Adams (and he actually wants out- which is not confirmed yet btw) we have to offer something of equal worth. More to the point, we probably have to offer overs to satisfy a team with potential, nay, likely 5-6, competing suitors. Forget the threat of PSD, very few players ever use that and there is no evidence to suggest Adams is that sort of character.

When people talk trades they want to get something decent without giving anything up in return. Basically in this instance they have gone well our second pick is good but probably not good enough, so ill group it with a surplus to requirements.

Fact: by adding Mark Jamar to the trade it doesn't make it a more appealing notion-quite the opposite. Jamar is finished.

  • Like 2
Posted

When did we get pick 1?

Must have missed the news.

I simply expect it to come to us.

As for using pick 3 instead of 1, it might work better for us, but I don't think GWS will accept that.

Posted

If we had picks 1 & 3.. I'd be happy to give pick 1 to GWS for pick 2 and Adams.. I wonder if that would make them happy?

We don't want Boyd, we need midfielders. The above trade would still give us the best 2 midfielders in the comp.

Posted

If we had picks 1 & 3.. I'd be happy to give pick 1 to GWS for pick 2 and Adams.. I wonder if that would make them happy?

We don't want Boyd, we need midfielders. The above trade would still give us the best 2 midfielders in the comp.

It depends on whether they were going to use Pick 1 to trade for a star, and whether we could do the same thing...

We don't have pick 1 as it stands now anyway.

Posted

We must not pay over Adams' worth in terms of draft picks. The MFC needs to be patient and get the best value out of our top picks, because we are not remotely close to a flag.

We won't get Adams unless we offer the best contract and he nominates us. If he does, we should ideally try to nab him through the PSD and even offer him a ‘bonus’ to come that way. If he is not keen on being disloyal and entering the PSD we should at least have him threaten it as a possibility so we don’t pay overs.

While Jamar and ~#20 or Jamar and McDonald may be ‘unders’ compared to what others will offer, GWS will probably take the trade rather than losing him in the PSD.

  • Like 2

Posted

I wouldn't be considering trading Mcdonald, has the potential to be a 10 year CHB for us, Paul Roos will sort out his kicking

  • Like 5
Posted

No, I have no idea what the prospects of getting Paul Roos has to do with Taylor Adams and potential trade scenarios. Or more to the point whether Jamar + our second pick would satisfy GWS.

My point is that if we want Adams (and he actually wants out- which is not confirmed yet btw) we have to offer something of equal worth. More to the point, we probably have to offer overs to satisfy a team with potential, nay, likely 5-6, competing suitors. Forget the threat of PSD, very few players ever use that and there is no evidence to suggest Adams is that sort of character.

When people talk trades they want to get something decent without giving anything up in return. Basically in this instance they have gone well our second pick is good but probably not good enough, so ill group it with a surplus to requirements.

Fact: by adding Mark Jamar to the trade it doesn't make it a more appealing notion-quite the opposite. Jamar is finished.

Firstly, I agree with much of what you are saying.

Now..... Let me explain myself a bit more clearly.

What I was referring to earlier was that most people at the start of the year would have thought it was pie in the sky thinking that we would have Paul Roos coaching us next year. Certainly not a realist but now we have at worst a 50/50 chance of it happening. So my reference to your realist statement is that yes it may be a long shot to get Adams with pick 19 plus a player but stranger things have happened. (The Roos scenario) and certainly not impossible with the lure of playing for a Roos coached team. Many factors could be at play. He may not get along with Leon Cameron etc.

Although an outstanding prospect I also think people are getting a bit excited about him. He is not a star of the game. Not yet anyway.

Posted

This guy is my number 1 offseason target. Second round pick won't get it done though. Jamar, plus second round pick might....

I wish Stuie! That is a great scenario Mid fielder and some value for old Jamar Might even save some bucks!

Posted (edited)

Did you see Jamar play this year? He couldn't jump more than a few centimetres off the ground. Not to mention he has had 1 good year in 10 and that was over 3 seasons ago. Sure see what bites but don't be surprised if other clubs scoff at you for wasting their time (look at Essendon's recent trading history to see how far overvaluing your players gets you).

A ruckman they may want is Gawn. Still young, plenty of potential but also a risk for us due to his injury history. Don't get me wrong I'd love to keep Maxy I love the guy but if Clark is able to ruck with either Spencer or Fitzpatrick and we can get another back up on the rookie list it's something worth considering especially if we can inject some hardness and quality into our sub-Saharan midfield.

Please note that I did not say they WOULD take him, but that it's a possibility.

The rest of the comp still rates Jamar for some reason. I don't think they pay as much attention to MFC as we do, and the fact remains GWS tried to get him last year so I still think they MIGHT want him this year. Also, we just re-signed Gawn a few weeks ago.

Also, everyone please try and remember we're talking about pick 19 AND Jamar, not just Jamar.

Edited by stuie
Posted

If we had picks 1 & 3.. I'd be happy to give pick 1 to GWS for pick 2 and Adams.. I wonder if that would make them happy?

We don't want Boyd, we need midfielders. The above trade would still give us the best 2 midfielders in the comp.

So we don't want the player seen as once in a generation FF? not so sure about that.

Posted

So we don't want the player seen as once in a generation FF? not so sure about that.

Good enough tall forwards: Clark, Dawes, Fitzpatrick, Hogan, Gawn

Good enough mids: Jones, Viney

MFC haven't had a positive differential in inside 50s since 2006.

Maybe it's just me, but I think we need midfielders more than tall forwards, no matter how good they POSSIBLY will be.

  • Like 2
Posted

Good enough tall forwards: Clark, Dawes, Fitzpatrick, Hogan, Gawn

Good enough mids: Jones, Viney

MFC haven't had a positive differential in inside 50s since 2006.

Maybe it's just me, but I think we need midfielders more than tall forwards, no matter how good they POSSIBLY will be.

I wouldn't put Fitz or Gawn in a good enough yet and I'm still not sold on Dawes. I understand the point on mids but a top key position player would be hard to turn down if he was available. Remember Wallace at Richmond recruited for mids and passed up Franklin, the lesson is best available.

  • Like 2

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Friday 22nd November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers were out in force on a scorching morning out at Gosch's Paddock for the final session before the whole squad reunites for the Preseason Training Camp. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS It’s going to be a scorcher today but I’m in the shade at Gosch’s Paddock ready to bring you some observations from the final session before the Preseason Training Camp next week.  Salem, Fritsch & Campbell are already on the track. Still no number on Campbell’s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 1

    UP IN LIGHTS by Whispering Jack

    Those who watched the 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships closely this year would not be particularly surprised that Melbourne selected Victoria Country pair Harvey Langford and Xavier Lindsay on the first night of the AFL National Draft. The two left-footed midfielders are as different as chalk and cheese but they had similar impacts in their Coates Talent League teams and in the National Championships in 2024. Their interstate side was edged out at the very end of the tournament for tea

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    TRAINING: Wednesday 20th November 2024

    It’s a beautiful cool morning down at Gosch’s Paddock and I’ve arrived early to bring you my observations from today’s session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Reigning Keith Bluey Truscott champion Jack Viney is the first one out on the track.  Jack’s wearing the red version of the new training guernsey which is the only version available for sale at the Demon Shop. TRAINING: Viney, Clarry, Lever, TMac, Rivers, Petty, McVee, Bowey, JVR, Hore, Tom Campbell (in tr

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 18th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers ventured down to Gosch's Paddock for the final week of training for the 1st to 4th Years until they are joined by the rest of the senior squad for Preseason Training Camp in Mansfield next week. WAYNE RUSSELL'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS No Ollie, Chin, Riv today, but Rick & Spargs turned up and McDonald was there in casual attire. Seston, and Howes did a lot of boundary running, and Tom Campbell continued his work with individual trainer in non-MFC

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #11 Max Gawn

    Champion ruckman and brilliant leader, Max Gawn earned his seventh All-Australian team blazer and constantly held the team up on his shoulders in what was truly a difficult season for the Demons. Date of Birth: 30 December 1991 Height: 209cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 224 Goals MFC 2024: 11 Career Total: 109 Brownlow Medal Votes: 13 Melbourne Football Club: 2nd Best & Fairest: 405 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    2024 Player Reviews: #36 Kysaiah Pickett

    The Demons’ aggressive small forward who kicks goals and defends the Demons’ ball in the forward arc. When he’s on song, he’s unstoppable but he did blot his copybook with a three week suspension in the final round. Date of Birth: 2 June 2001 Height: 171cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 106 Goals MFC 2024: 36 Career Total: 161 Brownlow Medal Votes: 3 Melbourne Football Club: 4th Best & Fairest: 369 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Friday 15th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers took advantage of the beautiful sunshine to head down to Gosch's Paddock and witness the return of Clayton Oliver to club for his first session in the lead up to the 2025 season. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Clarry in the house!! Training: JVR, McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Woey, Brown, Petty, Adams, Chandler, Turner, Bowey, Seston, Kentfield, Laurie, Sparrow, Viney, Rivers, Jefferson, Hore, Howes, Verrall, AMW, Clarry Tom Campbell is here

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...