Shake em up Ox

[Benson 254]

He offerred before Schwab was sacked. Wouldn't read anything into timing.

Thanks for clarifying , I was not sure if he had offered prior to the resignation.

[Satyriconhome 10,714]

As long as we get a Gun CEO The Ox could be a great choice as President, if he wants to do it.

Would be great for membership.

If Brayshaw can pull it off i have faith the Ox could do the same.

As long as he wants to do it.

I think you will find Brayshaw, even though on face value was Footy Player/Cricketer/Commentator, had a grounding/understanding of Business especially footy and made sure he surrounded himself with good advisers, which you say MFC hasn't got at the moment

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

I think you will find Brayshaw, even though on face value was Footy Player/Cricketer/Commentator, had a grounding/understanding of Business especially footy and made sure he surrounded himself with good advisers, which you say MFC hasn't got at the moment

If the Ox took the job it is paramount he be surrounded by top people.

But it may be worth getting The Ox to sit in the chair to at least unite members and supporters.

Mclardy is not a leader & that is not his fault.

[Satyriconhome 10,714]

If the Ox took the job it is paramount he be surrounded by top people.

But it may be worth getting The Ox to sit in the chair to at least unite members and supporters.

Mclardy is not a leader & that is not his fault.

Why you little, sorry this is where we are allowed to disagree, afraid the Ox doesn't inspire me, yes he has managed to turn his life around and good on him, but he received a hell of a lot of help to do it and shouldn;t have allowed himself to get into that position in the first place.........what bothers me about a lot of posters on here, criticise the Club for knee jerk reactions and then because McLardy was put in an invidious position by so called supporters they want a knee jerk as well.........

I still think McLardy has a lot of work to do, but considering the amount of garbage we have had to endure including Jim Stynes' death, he has held up quite well, he is not the greatest media performer, but let's see you stand up in the glare......haven't seen you exactly jumpiing to help the Club at the moment......just sitting behind you keyboard pontificating....you coming to training tomorrow with the rest of the supporters....you never know the Ox might be there and you can kiss his feet

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

Why you little, sorry this is where we are allowed to disagree, afraid the Ox doesn't inspire me, yes he has managed to turn his life around and good on him, but he received a hell of a lot of help to do it and shouldn;t have allowed himself to get into that position in the first place.........what bothers me about a lot of posters on here, criticise the Club for knee jerk reactions and then because McLardy was put in an invidious position by so called supporters they want a knee jerk as well.........

I still think McLardy has a lot of work to do, but considering the amount of garbage we have had to endure including Jim Stynes' death, he has held up quite well, he is not the greatest media performer, but let's see you stand up in the glare......haven't seen you exactly jumpiing to help the Club at the moment......just sitting behind you keyboard pontificating....you coming to training tomorrow with the rest of the supporters....you never know the Ox might be there and you can kiss his feet

i have made my feelings known on Mclardy before The Ox spoke up.

He is a reluctant President.

No i will not be at training tomorrow. I will be at work.

You can disagree with me but drop the personal attacks. The last 6years speak for themselves.

[tonatopia 278]

great leaders without business prowess;

Ghangis Khan

Napoleon

Obama

footy clubs;

Brayshaw

Stynes

Kernahan

Presidents are not desk jockeys, they are there to rally support and give spirit and vision to the people.

Schwarz is perfect.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

.........what bothers me about a lot of posters on here, criticise the Club for knee jerk reactions and then because McLardy was put in an invidious position by so called supporters they want a knee jerk as well.........

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Yeah right, it was all the supporters fault....

Now let me go back to the coffee I am having with the tooth fairy.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I agree in one sense that we need to recruit some players who are a risk on the surface but with a good club environment may turn out to very good (hello Jack Darling). At the moment, we don't have that culture. We need to establish more solid values amongst what we have before we go off on vanity projects.

Martin Pike and his time at Melbourne didn't fit your description of a 'stallion who needed to be tamed'. He had plenty of chances and the final indiscretion was unforgivable. Chopper Carroll unforgivable.

It's the Brendon Fevola argument. You can give certain amounts of leeway but after a while, their attitude can infect the whole group. The problem with Fev was that it would have been bad enough if it was just him missing team meetings, getting pizzed and acting like an ass clown. The problem came when other Carlton players expected the same leniency shown towards Fev. They didn't arrest it until Judd came on board and Fev was sent north.

The other thing is you haven't bothered to answer any of the other examples I have raised which by the way refer to actual incidents not just how they were percieved. You have just continued on as a bedroom philosopher who isn't really making a great lot of sense.

You haven't really recognized my point: Say what you like about the club recruiting 'nice guys', the blokes you raised as examples aren't applicable.

.... & now you minimalise the biggest failing, apart from a Social Hub,,,, that the club has ever had... I'm frustrated that some who have too much say over the ways of the club... on the conservative side, have caused this Once great club to be on its Knees. & I'm not aiming this @ you...

We need more rough tough players who can play.... say a 66/33 ration blend of toughness, over mild mannered 'skilled types'. if you catch my meaning

* establishing cultures: we do & have had, a culture for decades, a week kneed culture where no one wants to chase or do any dirty work, & mostly our so called Stars won't do the hard things

this is our modern Heritage... our culture... don't bring out the obvious [censored],,, who have been billboard failures as they aren't what my posting is about...

My posting in essence is about the Conservatives Hi-Jacking of our club & the death of the old values brought to our Club by Checker Hughes,

which for some UnKnown reason, still has been refused elevation onto this forums Masthead???????????????????????????????

The lack of a Social Hub is just another slap in the Face of our grassroots supporters, who once were valued & could get access to our rooms prior to the Match,,, & again after the game,,,

& we the supporters could run out onto the ground after a game, either just to be out there or to have a kick or take a speccy....

so they give us a lounge after the game, where 2 or 3 players turn up for 15 minutes... not designed for the supporters to enjoy the holistic footy environs, but Yet Again is designed just to fleece the supporters of their hard earned, thru top dollar purchases within a hard atmosphere of strangers in a room....

this club Has failed its supporters because it is Out Of touch with the rank & file supporter. & this is because its controlled by those over North of the MCG...

[dee-luded 2,959]

Wanted to return to WA for family reasons.

And maybe a lot of cash from Freo.

There you go, Great Clubs don't lose these match winning players... they workout how to get a winwin, & keep the player...

[dee-luded 2,959]

Don't know if this has been explained to you.......Farmer walked out when his contract expired....wanted to go back home......Big offer was made but rejected to go home.....Pike was a drunk but got over this when football career was in jepody.....Jackovic did a lower leg injury and went to the Dogs and played, I think 5 games, for them.........Don't let fact ruin a good story.....

As I remember it with Jackovich, he hurt his back, as did Prymke & Garry Lyon, all within a short time of one another,,, 3 great players cut down...

It all seems to just happen to us...

[Satyriconhome 10,714]

i have made my feelings known on Mclardy before The Ox spoke up.

He is a reluctant President.

No i will not be at training tomorrow. I will be at work.

You can disagree with me but drop the personal attacks. The last 6years speak for themselves.

What personal attack, feeling a bit precious without Rangey to back you up.........I have taken the morning off work to attend, so have a lot of others, bit different right, if that is a personal attack you will just have to wear it.....the last 6 years obviously don't speak to me the way they speak to you

[MadAsHell 4,212]

There you go, Great Clubs don't lose these match winning players... they workout how to get a winwin, & keep the player...

Essendon: Gavin Wanganeen

North Melbourne: Peter Bell

West Coast: Chris Judd

Hawthorn: Darren Jarman

Collingwood: Peter Moore

Geelong: Garry Ablett Jnr

St Kilda: Tony Lockett

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

What personal attack, feeling a bit precious without Rangey to back you up.........I have taken the morning off work to attend, so have a lot of others, bit different right, if that is a personal attack you will just have to wear it.....the last 6 years obviously don't speak to me the way they speak to you

Precious about what? Stop bringing up RR, He ran his own agenda some of it i agreed with.

If you are able to take a morning off work good on you.

I can't.

The last 6 years have been a complete failure...if you disagree i feel sorry for you.

[Satyriconhome 10,714]

great leaders without business prowess;

Ghangis Khan

Napoleon

Obama

footy clubs;

Brayshaw

Stynes

Kernahan

Presidents are not desk jockeys, they are there to rally support and give spirit and vision to the people.

Schwarz is perfect.

Hahaha I was waiting for Hilter...........so you want a despot Napoleon....or a bloodthirsty tyrant Genghis Khan, , or somebody hamstrung without a viable or plausible alternative just yet, Obama, you could have put Gillard or that British guy

You will find that Brayshaw polarises the North supporters as much as Cam Schwab was supposed to, they have slightly less members than we do at the moment, so he must inspire away

Kernahan....you are serious about putting him as a President/Chairman of a Club that does things properly

Stynes....it is an insult to Jim, you put him with the rest, besides which Jim had nouse

I don't know what leadership book you read, but it must be interesting

[Satyriconhome 10,714]

Precious about what? Stop bringing up RR, He ran his own agenda some of it i agreed with.

If you are able to take a morning off work good on you.

I can't.

The last 6 years have been a complete failure...if you disagree i feel sorry for you.

Some of it you agreed with, your posts followed his, it was like watching syncronised posting, there is no reason to feel sorry for me, I didn't say I was happy with the last six years, what I said was that I wasn't totally negative like you to everything that has happened/occured in the last six years.

This is a topic about the Ox riding iin on his white charger, armour glinting in the sunlight, to rescue the Club from the dungeon we have put ourselves in, some of us are not quite ready to lower the drawbridge just yet, he may have to come over the battlements, and get past the chastity belt, I want to see what he is carrying in his codpiece before I give him my unqualified support and I also want to see what alternatives have to say as well..........rather than blindly following

Edited April 11, 2013 by Satyriconhome

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

Some of it you agreed with, your posts followed his, it was like watching syncronised posting, there is no reason to feel sorry for me, I didn't say I was happy with the last six years, what I said was that I wasn't totally negative like you to everything that has happened/occured in the last six years.

This is a topic about the Ox riding iin on his white charger, armour glinting in the sunlight, to rescue the Club from the dungeon we have put ourselves in, some of us are not quite ready to lower the drawbridge just yet, he may have to come over the battlements, and get past the chastity belt, I want to see what he is carrying in his codpiece before I give him my unqualified support and I also want to see what alternatives have to say as well..........rather than blindly following

You are obviously inside the club.

It's time to open the door. If the losses continue the changes will happen whether you are ready for it or not.

[teedup 2]

Big support for the OX to get involved.

Although he was great for Melbourne as a player, I am not sure he is a good role model who got the absolute best out of his footy.

That being said he is a stand up guy (just ask Sam Newman), and on the ground he loved winning the contested football, and aggressive tackling. If we get these right on the field we are half way there.

Don get him on board.

GO DEES

[old dee 23,781]

Hahaha I was waiting for Hilter...........so you want a despot Napoleon....or a bloodthirsty tyrant Genghis Khan, , or somebody hamstrung without a viable or plausible alternative just yet, Obama, you could have put Gillard or that British guy

You will find that Brayshaw polarises the North supporters as much as Cam Schwab was supposed to, they have slightly less members than we do at the moment, so he must inspire away

Kernahan....you are serious about putting him as a President/Chairman of a Club that does things properly

Stynes....it is an insult to Jim, you put him with the rest, besides which Jim had nouse

I don't know what leadership book you read, but it must be interesting

Satyriconhome you are a member of the status quo at the MFC.

The Status quo has taken us down to the position we find ourselves in at present.

We have a list that is the worst in the competition.

In 2013 we are producing results that GCS and GWS did not produce in their foundation Years with a bunch of kids.

We have a coach who is struggling to prove he knows what he is doing

We are currently the cot case of the AFL.

Those are the facts.

Not sure what you are defending

but the last five years on field performance under DM as President and CS as CEO

Can only be described as a complete failure.

Now they may well be nice people but as the heads of the MFC the buck stops at their Door.

Please get over the fact they have not produced the goods.

In the words from a different period "It is Time"

[Brian Wilson 331]

great leaders without business prowess;

Ghangis Khan

Napoleon

Obama

footy clubs;

Brayshaw

Stynes

Kernahan

Presidents are not desk jockeys, they are there to rally support and give spirit and vision to the people.

Schwarz is perfect.

Not actually correct. Stynes had extensive experience with Reach over the course of around 15 years prior to becoming President of MFC and Kernahan actually worked at a broker during his playing days (believe it or not) and since then became a partner and director at Docklands Press.

I'm not going to touch your other, older examples.

[tonatopia 278]

Can someone start a poll on Schwarz, I dont know how to do it.

[Satyriconhome 10,714]

You are obviously inside the club.

It's time to open the door. If the losses continue the changes will happen whether you are ready for it or not.

There seems to be a hint (similar to Rangey, oh no mentioned him again) in the phrasing of your statement that you are actually hoping for the losses to continue, so that the changes you think are required will happen, which is a bit unsettling

I am not inside the Club old chap, just a volunteer, but this give me an opportunity to ask questions, you ask Don McLardy or a few others , I do ask, not afraid to

I didn't agree on how we reacted to the pressures we faced by sacking Cam Schwab, but I understand why we did it, there is a difference, that way I don't go off half-cocked with knee jerk reactions, bit mixed metaphorish but hey gets my message across

The doors are always open, try getting off your arse and making the effort to ask, or easier to hide behind your keyboard, I have no idea what is going to happen in the next few weeks, but will judge when it happens, waste of time going over the bridge if it is not built yet.

The Ox can tell me why he thinks he should be President, if I like the sound of it, and the alternatives or incumbent don't convince me otherwise, I'll back him.......at the moment all we have heard is he is going to go in and chat to Don

I would advise him to be very careful, as he could find himself in the Gary Lyon situation, another Club hero who some now on this board think he is somehow tainted as well........

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

There seems to be a hint (similar to Rangey, oh no mentioned him again) in the phrasing of your statement that you are actually hoping for the losses to continue, so that the changes you think are required will happen, which is a bit unsettling

I am not inside the Club old chap, just a volunteer, but this give me an opportunity to ask questions, you ask Don McLardy or a few others , I do ask, not afraid to

I didn't agree on how we reacted to the pressures we faced by sacking Cam Schwab, but I understand why we did it, there is a difference, that way I don't go off half-cocked with knee jerk reactions, bit mixed metaphorish but hey gets my message across

The doors are always open, try getting off your arse and making the effort to ask, or easier to hide behind your keyboard, I have no idea what is going to happen in the next few weeks, but will judge when it happens, waste of time going over the bridge if it is not built yet.

The Ox can tell me why he thinks he should be President, if I like the sound of it, and the alternatives or incumbent don't convince me otherwise, I'll back him.......at the moment all we have heard is he is going to go in and chat to Don

I would advise him to be very careful, as he could find himself in the Gary Lyon situation, another Club hero who some now on this board think he is somehow tainted as well........

Yeah right. You think i want the losses to continue.

What is it with the mindset of people on here?

These people have been in place for years, not last week.

It has failed dismally.

But you will continue to throw barbs.

Edited April 11, 2013 by why you little

[hardtack 10,514]

i have made my feelings known on Mclardy before The Ox spoke up.

He is a reluctant President.

No i will not be at training tomorrow. I will be at work.

You can disagree with me but drop the personal attacks. The last 6years speak for themselves.

If McLardy is a reluctant president (and yes, he is), then so would the Ox be, as he has stated very clearly that he is not interested in any role on the board, but is simply willing to offer assistance in the short term.

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

If McLardy is a reluctant president (and yes, he is), then so would the Ox be, as he has stated very clearly that he is not interested in any role on the board, but is simply willing to offer assistance in the short term.

he actually said he would take a board position if there was a role for him and if he was asked to join.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

If McLardy is a reluctant president (and yes, he is), then so would the Ox be, as he has stated very clearly that he is not interested in any role on the board, but is simply willing to offer assistance in the short term.

No he didn't. The Ox clearly said he would take a seat on the Board if it was considered appropriate. Otherwise, he would be willing to take on any support role within the footy club and outside the board. The word "temporary" was never mentioned by him.