I hope Neeld cuts a frigging swathe through the list. Cut the ones with inferior talent and trade the lazy pricks.

This club has had the worst playing culture in the AFL. I feel sorry for supporters that get emotionally invested in this rabble. The good news is that Neeld, Craig and co have had 12 months to formulate a plan to finally get players with talent and leadership into the club and [censored] off the dead wood. It can start with a third round pick for Moloney as compensation for FA.

I look at the Brisbane Football club as an example. We have virtually the same number of 100 game players. We have virtually the same number of 50 game players. Yet they'll finish on 11 wins. And this despite the fact that they had to embark on a major rebuild from 2006 after their premiership era. They have only 3 premiership geriatrics remaining on their list. What right do they have to be better then us ? FFS, our best player even came from them.

The reason they're better is that we've had one mid who has had a good year and they've got Rich, Rockliff, Redden, and Black. The first 3 have played between 50-100 games. Our only decent mid that has played 50-100 games is Trengove and he's had a disappointing year. All four of their best mids have averaged over 21 possessions per game. Grimes has played a mixture of back and midfield, but hasn't had a preseason as a mid. And they've got a far better playing culture with Brown still leading the way.

MFC = terrible culture, no stars, poor recruiting, and the worst midfield in the competition.

Thank God this year and era is over. I consider 2013 a fresh start and an opportunity to start getting thigs right.

Yeah, it's amazing despite Voss's utter incompetence over the Fevola fiasco how well they've developed over the last year and a bit. Voss is obviously a very good coach, who probably should just be excluded from list management issues.

Moloney, Rivers and Aaron Davey need to be moved on. Some of our high draft picks might want to follow them out the door, if they're not prepared to do what it takes to be successful as well.

I think you meant this....

Rangey's 2013 R1 Dream side:

Backs: Naitanui, Naitanui, Naitanui

Halfbacks: Naitanui, Naitanui, Naitanui

Mids: Naitanui, Naitanui, Naitanui

Half forwards: Naitanui, Naitanui, Naitanui

Forwards: Naitanui, Darling, Naitanui

Rucks: Naitanui, Naitanui, Naitanui

Interchange: Naitanui, Naitanui, Naitanui, Sub: Naitanui

Coach: Naitanui

You forgot about Darling

Didnt know Nicnat could coach. There you go, learn something everyday

Yeah, it's amazing despite Voss's utter incompetence over the Fevola fiasco how well they've developed over the last year and a bit. Voss is obviously a very good coach, who probably should just be excluded from list management issues.

Moloney, Rivers and Aaron Davey need to be moved on. Some of our high draft picks might want to follow them out the door, if they're not prepared to do what it takes to be successful as well.

Will agree with Moloney and Davey but find it hard to justify cutting Rivers. He has actually taken his demotion like a man and played pretty decent footy. One of the few of the old leadership group I would hold onto.

Cbf.... Id actually agree

Rangey's 2013 R1 side:

Backs: no-one

Halfbacks: McDonald

Mids: Jones

Half forwards: Howe

Forwards: Clark

Rucks: no-one

Interchange: no-one

Coach: Neeld

Nice try but here's my 2013 Round 1 side ...

B: Grimes Frawley McDonald

HB: Gysberts Garland Watts

C: Pick 3 Trengove Sylvia

HF: Howe Sellar Tapscott

F: Blease Clark Viney

Foll: Jamar Boak Jones

Int: Pick 4 Strauss Dunn McKenzie

Em: Jetta Morton Taggert

- And this is with Baok as conservatively the only F/A to join us.

- No room for Rivers, MacDonald and so on, save for depth.

MFC 2013 ... "Raise the Bar"

Edited August 31, 201212 yr by Range Rover

You forgot about Darling

and Dangerfield

and Shuey

and Tippett

and ...

Will agree with Moloney and Davey but find it hard to justify cutting Rivers. He has actually taken his demotion like a man and played pretty decent footy. One of the few of the old leadership group I would hold onto.

He was a leader under Bailey and did nothing to change the culture of the playing group.

I saw an interview of him being almost berated by Wayne Carey last year after 'Moneybags' defected. Carey kept saying it was devestating for the club, that we wouldn't cope with his loss. And all Rivers did was smile and nod and agree.

I'm sitting there thinking....the correct response is: "We've got 38 players on the list and no one player is above the others. We move on. This club isn't about individuals".

It was a pissweak media performance, and speaks volumes of how spineless our so-called leaders were.

Edited August 31, 201212 yr by King Cuthbertson

Raise the bar ?

Certainly make for change from having to drink heavily at it !!!

You post some silly stuff these days mate. Joel has been good this year, Jade said as much, that's all there is to it.

Why would he pay out on one of our most consistent players?!

Because there is trade time coming up and you don't devalue the resources.

Because there is trade time coming up and you don't devalue the resources.

Correct.

He was a leader under Bailey and did nothing to change the culture of the playing group.

I saw an interview of him being almost berated by Wayne Carey in an interview last year after 'Moneybags' defected. Carey kept saying it was devestating for the club, that we wouldn't cope with his loss. And all Rivers did was smile and nod and agree.

I'm sitting there thinking....the correct response is: "We've got 38 players on the list and no one player is above the others. We move on. This club isn't about individuals".

It was a pissweak media performance, and speaks volumes of how spineless our so-called leaders were.

Yep.....leaders just have to be great in interviews.....first ones chosen in my book....If your no good....you can't be in the leadership group....

Yep.....leaders just have to be great in interviews.....first ones chosen in my book....If your no good....you can't be in the leadership group....

No. It was indicative of a general attitude this club has had since the 60's.

Happy to live off the memories of it's icons, it's swag of premierships.... and the salaries, lifestyle and employment opportunities that come with being an AFL footballer.

Happy to be diplomatic and inoffensive.

They are a bunch of over-privleged complacent scabs, and no one from the leadership group, to the coaching staff, to the board and administration has had the guts to say it in the past.

Edited August 31, 201212 yr by King Cuthbertson

The way some demonlanders talk about our players, if true, makes them worth nothing as trades, so as a club we lose.

On the other hand, if other clubs do take some of our players and those players succeed, then why couldn't we have made them successful as they clearly weren't as bad as we thought - we lose.

There's a poor attitude to our players here - time for someone to do their job. We can't (and shouldn't) turn over more than the usual proportion of our list - the players haven't lost their underlying ability, they just need good coaching.

We have made enough mistakes - time to start getting it right.

No. It was indicative of a general attitude this club has had since the 60's.

Happy to live off the memories of it's icons, it's swag of premierships.... and the salaries and employment opportunities that come with being an AFL footballer.

Happy to be diplomatic and inoffensive.

They are a bunch of over-privleged complacent scabs, and no one from the leadership group, to the coaching staff, to the board and administration has had the guts to say it in the past.

So you are saying the coaching staff, the board and the administration have not been doing their jobs - well done, you have finally woken up.

So you are saying the coaching staff, the board and the administration have not been doing their jobs - well done, you have finally woken up.

No. I think we are serious.

From the hive of activity that took place at the end of last season, and the appointments that were made, i'd say that there are people involved in admin, to the board, right to the bottom who are dead serious about achieving succcess.

I was talking about the past. Since Mark Neeld arrived on the scene, we've been operating on a different timeline.

The way some demonlanders talk about our players, if true, makes them worth nothing as trades, so as a club we lose.

On the other hand, if other clubs do take some of our players and those players succeed, then why couldn't we have made them successful as they clearly weren't as bad as we thought - we lose.

There's a poor attitude to our players here - time for someone to do their job. We can't (and shouldn't) turn over more than the usual proportion of our list - the players haven't lost their underlying ability, they just need good coaching.

We have made enough mistakes - time to start getting it right.

If they are worth nothing at trade how do we lose? The one's "worth" anything as players we would not trade, the "others" are no lose.

Which players would other clubs target for trade? I'd think the majority of under 25 aged players would remain thus no players of value would leave.

Players poor attitude is responsibility of ALL associated with the club. From top (Pres) to bottom (last player on the list).

Players poor attitude is responsibility of ALL associated with the club. From top (Pres) to bottom (last player on the list).

Glad to see you too have recognised that the coaching staff, board and admin share responsibility for the apparent poor attitude of the players.

You forgot about Darling

Chris Connolly was just on 774 talking about how every club missed Darling in the draft. No doubt he had Lucas Cook in mind when he was saying it.

Chris Connolly was just on 774 talking about how every club missed Darling in the draft.

and he is right. some clubs missed him twice.

It's been a bit of a pattern recently Chook, but that's almost word for word what I thought when I heard those quotes from Green. Jarka may be right about leading a horse to water, but I'm of the view that most young people in an environment like that would listen if told by senior figures to pull their heads in. Especially if it was regularly being reinforced by the rest of the leadership.

This issue that I had with the post was that chook was singling out Green as being a poor leader but the reality is that we don't have the info to make that conclusion, to solely blame Green for it. I've met Green and I've seen him train many times, he always works bloody hard. It's now clear that there are many 'bad apples' in the group, and the previous FD's have to take responsibility for; A. Not identifying them quickly enough and B.Not removing the problem makers before it spread further.

That story about the players cancelling a time trial during the Bailey era just astounds me, in no other club would that be acceptable. The players have had too much power in our club, I just hope that neeld is strong enough and is given even support to get rid of these prima donnas. It now makes more sense with the leadership group chosen this year.

Nice try but here's my 2013 Round 1 side ...

Em: Morton

MFC 2013 ... "Raise the Bar"

WTF?!!! Aren't you the bloke who's been banging on about Watts being the wrong pick, Moloney underperforming, and going hard for a contest?!

Yet you pick Morton.

You're a joke.

WTF?!!! Aren't you the bloke who's been banging on about Watts being the wrong pick, Moloney underperforming, and going hard for a contest?!

Yet you pick Morton.

You're a joke.

no Stuie. You just don't get irony!!!

no Stuie. You just don't get irony!!!

I'm getting buried by sarcasm now..... I think...

Pretty sure there was nothing ironic in RR's team, he ACTUALLY meant it.

Rivers only as depth?? He WILL be second in our BnF.

Anyone who doesn't have Rivers in our Round One lineup next year has rocks in their head. He's been in our top three or four players this year (Jones, Howe, Clark, Rivers).