No one will care if we win. The question is 'who will care if we lose.'

I think it will be the final straw for a lot of people.

Final straw? Have they seen our list and our injuries? No proper full forward, no first or even second choice ruck and the usual crap midfield. How are people expecting a win?

Having watched the GWS win today it is clear that draft picks, if used correctly, are the gold of AFL football. GWS have a sensational bunch of young kids and they have clearly drafted well. We haven't.

If we use our draft picks well this year, get JV as a second round pick, do a couple of good trades, we could be back in business a lot sooner than many think. GWS have shown that young mids can play well in their first year, so we have to pick a few good ones.

Yes i did say that Sloonie, because i knew what the club was doing. If you are going to do something, do it right.

But it didn't work. So i prefer option B.

Is that ok??

Why do you keep saying it didn't work? We haven't used the compo picks yet.

Why do the mea culpa advocates refuse to acknowledge this point?

Having watched the GWS win today it is clear that draft picks, if used correctly, are the gold of AFL football. GWS have a sensational bunch of young kids and they have clearly drafted well. We haven't.

If we use our draft picks well this year, get JV as a second round pick, do a couple of good trades, we could be back in business a lot sooner than many think. GWS have shown that young mids can play well in their first year, so we have to pick a few good ones.

Aint that the truth.

Hope we do a better job this year

Of course It does help when you get to pick every other one in the first 20 Redleg

Exactly. For me it's easy; an extra classy 10 year midfield player (which we need. period), or a couple of extra "W" in the win column.

Now tell me what's meaningless- a win that no one will remember come round 1 2013, or Wines/Grundy etc playing 200 for the dees.

Don't be daft. If this tanking can of worms wasn't recently opened there would be none of this high moral ground win at all costs talk.

Why do you keep saying it didn't work? We haven't used the compo picks yet.

Why do the mea culpa advocates refuse to acknowledge this point?

Please RR. You are giving slack and excuses for the last 5 years.

We drafted very poorly.

Having watched the GWS win today it is clear that draft picks, if used correctly, are the gold of AFL football. GWS have a sensational bunch of young kids and they have clearly drafted well. We haven't.

If we use our draft picks well this year, get JV as a second round pick, do a couple of good trades, we could be back in business a lot sooner than many think. GWS have shown that young mids can play well in their first year, so we have to pick a few good ones.

Correct.

Couldn't care less if we finish lower than 16th.

Exactly. For me it's easy; an extra classy 10 year midfield player (which we need. period), or a couple of extra "W" in the win column.

Now tell me what's meaningless- a win that no one will remember come round 1 2013, or Wines/Grundy etc playing 200 for the dees.

Don't be daft. If this tanking can of worms wasn't recently opened there would be none of this high moral ground win at all costs talk.

The Tanking issue has nothing to do with wanting a few wins.

If we use our draft picks well this year, get JV as a second round pick, do a couple of good trades, we could be back in business a lot sooner than many think. GWS have shown that young mids can play well in their first year, so we have to pick a few good ones.

That's a decent sized "if".

Please RR. You are giving slack and excuses for the last 5 years.

We drafted very poorly.

No argument from me.

But why do the failures of BP mean we are consigned to failure at the draft table this year?

That's defeatist.

I don't know if I can be bothered with this if we win the spoon this year. We will move a couple of positions up the draft order but will lose 5,000 in membership and many could have been members will simply stop caring. No kid will want to barrack for Melbourne and we will lose another generation of supporters.

What ever the outcome of the rest of the year, MFC is looking at a huge hole in membership and sponsorship next year. MFC has been an on an off field rabble this year and an unmitigated disaster. IMO the wooden spoon is neither here nor there. It just further evidence of the basket case that we are.

I would welcome the improved draft pick positions

I would prefer a few more wins this year so maybe a few footy jumpers are sold over summer.

.I will gladly swap a few polyester jumpers for the opportunity to get better players.

It didn't work because we chose poorly.

Option A is a guarantee that Viney is second round, whilst first two picks are top 5 prospects. At this stage of the season I prefer option A.

Too hard for some.

That's a decent sized "if".

What choice do we have but to think positively?

We CAN and we WILL pick up a couple of guns. That should be our attitude.

So do you get an actual spoon or not? This is ruining my afternoon.

No argument from me.

But why do the failures of BP mean we are consigned to failure at the draft table this year?

That's defeatist.

Who said we are going to fail at this years draft??

We will already have high draft picks regardless. Some wins on the board this year could help the free agents want to come to this club.

Stop accepting failure now. Look at port. No thanks.

Picks 1, 2, about 9 or 10, and Viney. Winning.

SO WHAT PICKS WE GET IF WE EAT WOOD?? thanks

Some wins on the board this year could help the free agents want to come to this club.

Hahahaha.

"So Travis, what do you say, 1 million per season for 6 years, you in?"

"Did you beat Gold Coast?"

"Yes!"

"I'm in"

Hahahaha.

"So Travis, what do you say, 1 million per season for 6 years, you in?"

"Did you beat Gold Coast?"

"Yes!"

"I'm in"

Better than losing.

Who said we are going to fail at this years draft??

We will already have high draft picks regardless. Some wins on the board this year could help the free agents want to come to this club.

Stop accepting failure now. Look at port. No thanks.

What do you think would affect a free agent's decision to come to us more ...

1. An extra win or two.

2. The guillotine of tanking sanctions hanging over our head.

??

Edited August 4, 201213 yr by Range Rover

Who said we are going to fail at this years draft??

We will already have high draft picks regardless. Some wins on the board this year could help the free agents want to come to this club.

Stop accepting failure now. Look at port. No thanks.

I know AFL footballers are dumb (circa McLean) but they are not that dumb to suddenly think a couple of cheap irrelevant junk time wins against AFL interstate project clubs suddenly change us from being the Afghanistan of the AFL.

You have already tried to use the past 5 years to impact what happens in this draft. You are definitely defeatist and accepting failure.

Hahahaha.

"So Travis, what do you say, 1 million per season for 6 years, you in?"

"Did you beat Gold Coast?"

"Yes!"

"I'm in"

If we beat GWS it will be irresistible.

Better than losing.

"So Travis, what do you say, 1 million per season for 6 years, you in?"

"Did you beat Gold Coast?"

"No "

"I'm in"

Wouldn't make a lick of difference.

I know AFL footballers are dumb (circa McLean) but they are not that dumb to suddenly think a couple of cheap irrelevant junk time wins against AFL interstate project clubs suddenly change us from being the Afghanistan of the AFL.

You have already tried to use the past 5 years to impact what happens in this draft. You are definitely defeatist and accepting failure.

How am i defeatist? Please explain Einstien?

Sheedy just proved his point, he is smiling in the box because he is justified.

Sheedy is sending a sign to the Melbourne Football Club right at this moment.

This is a great day in the life of Kevin Sheedy.

Some paranoia here?

Do you really think that Sheedy spends all his waking/working time worrying about the MFC?

"So Travis, what do you say, 1 million per season for 6 years, you in?"

"Did you beat Gold Coast?"

"No "

"I'm in"

Wouldn't make a lick of difference.

Ok so lets just lie down belly up and watch the sponsors run to our aid....

Edited August 4, 201213 yr by why you little

How am i defeatist? Please explain Einstien?

Its Einstein,,Mr Gump.

I could explain it again and again and you would never understand. Rover has already highlighted it but like most simple issues it passes along the highway over your head.