Pretty sure about this; read it in a few places - one link.

I think MFC is paying 100% of TPP in 2012 by heavily front loading some contracts with younger players. They have done this to get salary room to go after established players (including those in free agency).

Boak would have to be a target; not sure about who else. And I guess Cloke, though IMO $1m is too much for any 1 player - carlton's list lacks depth because of it (and paying overs for others eg $400k Warnock and McLean).

Thoughts?

James Hawkesly Bris

Chris Knights Adel

Tyson Goldsack Coll

David Myers Ess

Jarred Bouman Hawks

Scott Thompson Norf

Matt Spangher Swans

These are guys that would flll roles for us and would not be costly. Mostly hard bodies that could fit in right away.

I reckon we are dreaming if we thing we can land a number of big fish. We need to trade/recruit realistic ready made payers that fill gaps for us. Goldsack for mine would be a great get.

Travis Boak: Port Adelaide

Shannon Byrnes: Geelong

Travis Cloke: Collingwood

Lachlan Hansen: North Melbourne

Farren Ray: St Kilda

Jordan Russell: Carlton

Matthew White: Richmond

Jesse White: Sydney

They're some of the blokes that I'd be looking at. Byrnes and Boak top of my list!

Travis Boak: Port Adelaide

Shannon Byrnes: Geelong

Travis Cloke: Collingwood

Lachlan Hansen: North Melbourne

Farren Ray: St Kilda

Jordan Russell: Carlton

Matthew White: Richmond

Jesse White: Sydney

They're some of the blokes that I'd be looking at. Byrnes and Boak top of my list!

I look at that list and see a couple of quality players and a bunch of 1st round draft picks who did SFA to justify their selection

Boak is the obvious choice but if we could get Knights for next to nothing then brilliant.

Most other players on the list are B grade at best.

Travis Boak: Port Adelaide

Shannon Byrnes: Geelong

Travis Cloke: Collingwood

Lachlan Hansen: North Melbourne

Farren Ray: St Kilda

Jordan Russell: Carlton

Matthew White: Richmond

Jesse White: Sydney

They're some of the blokes that I'd be looking at. Byrnes and Boak top of my list!

too much heffernan about farren ray for my liking. Boak is the pick of that list. What about Beams or Wellingham?

I look at that list and see a couple of quality players and a bunch of 1st round draft picks who did SFA to justify their selection

I reckon the blokes you're referring to (Russell, Ray & Hansen I assume) are all good role players, but have that stigma of being top draft picks.

Hansen's probably been the biggest underachiever out of the three, but he's constantly been moved from forward to back to forward. I reckon if we put him in and left him at CHF he'd become a valuable player for our structure and help Clark out a lot.

too much heffernan about farren ray for my liking. Boak is the pick of that list. What about Beams or Wellingham?

Two very good players. Don't think they're as getable as the others though.

Chris Knights is an interesting one. 2007-2009 he was looking like he was on his way to becoming a real top-liner. Was getting a lot of the ball, used it well, and always kicked a couple of goals. Has stagnated for whatever reason the last few years. He will be 26 next year, so should still have 4 or 5 years left of half decent footy.

Sharrod Wellingham is the player we really need to put work in.

Alex Fasolo.

Pat Karnesziz

Todd Banfield

Shane Savage

Matt Campbell/Jeff Garlett type.

I reckon the blokes you're referring to (Russell, Ray & Hansen I assume) are all good role players, but have that stigma of being top draft picks.

Hansen's probably been the biggest underachiever out of the three, but he's constantly been moved from forward to back to forward. I reckon if we put him in and left him at CHF he'd become a valuable player for our structure and help Clark out a lot.

Possibly. But 1st rounders who move clubs and come good usually go to a decent club where they can be role players. We don't need role players. We've got essentially a blank canvas.

Hansen's an interesting one. No idea about his contract, but doubt he'd go anywhere purely because no club would value him anywhere what North would want. Bit like us - we wouldn't trade Morton for a 3rd rounder because that would be an admission we made a mess of a pick 4 (though that draft is looker weaker all the time)

Jarred Bouman Hawks

This one confuses me, he was serviceable at VFL level and has shown absolutely nothing in his opportunities at AFL level.

Boumann was just one of many untried mature-aged KPD's. Makes a lot more sense to find our own instead of giving up something to the Hawks for a player that hasn't done anything.

Edited July 5, 201213 yr by Deez Nutz

I wouldn't mind Myers if he's available. Strong body, talented player who just might bloom under Neeld.

Dayne Beams

Sharrod Wellingham

Koby Stevens

Daniel Archer (STK)

Dempster (STK) Free Agent

Dayne Beams

Sharrod Wellingham

Koby Stevens

Daniel Archer (STK)

Dempster (STK) Free Agent

Can't believe I forgot to mention him myself!

Agree, reckon he'd be a great get for us, and certainly achievable. Also David Ellard from Carlton is someone who I think would eb a good get for us.

He's 23 (I think), 30 odd games experience, a quick crumbing forward who can rotate through the midfield but can't crack a regular game because of Betts & Garlett. Would be a good fit IMO.

Paul Duffield seems to be on the outer at Fremantle. Nic Suban is a Victorian boy. I must admit to not seeing too much of Suban and don't know whether he's as good a kick as I'm thinking, but I think they'd both be worth looking at as the Half Back playmaker we sorely miss.

$$$$$$$$ at Boak. Daylight the rest.

fringe types:

Koby Stevens, Ash Smith (Eagles) swap for Morton & Bennell

Chris Knights (Crows) for our pick 44 (3rd round)

Xavier Ellis in PSD (#3)

Pick 13 and a player for Boak . Like BH has suggested , it will need to be a player that Port will see fair value in . The Coach and crew should be in the best position to judge which player .

Or to get Boak we give Port picks 4 and 13 in exchange for pick 7 - kudos to whoever suggested this idea (this option may be more appealing if . by then , Viney as slipped through to the 2nd round.)

In the 2nd scenario we could end up with Boak , Viney , pick 3 and pick 7 . Not too shabby . And that's not counting who we might snare out of the 'Free Agents' that are available . In an ideal world we secure Cloke and Sewell as free agents and we could use picks 3 and 7 on midfielders in the National Draft .

That would give us 5 new midfielders to get the ball down to Cloke and Clark . A lot can happen at seasons end and we need to be a major player .

Edited July 6, 201213 yr by Macca

Ellard, Stevens and Byrnes are prob the most 'gettable' that would fill our need for speedy outside types.

As much as boak and beams would be top of the wish list I think that they'll remain just that

Goddard???

Ellard, Stevens and Byrnes are prob the most 'gettable' that would fill our need for speedy outside types.

As much as boak and beams would be top of the wish list I think that they'll remain just that

Best and most realistic player mentioned yet.

Ellard is having a good year, sneaking under the guard of a lot of sides - Ive been watching him for a while now.

Well picked there.

Best and most realistic player mentioned yet.

Ellard is having a good year, sneaking under the guard of a lot of sides - Ive been watching him for a while now.

Well picked there.

Aww shux you're making me blush...

No point saying we can trade Dunn bate and spencer to collingwood for Wellington and beams

We do have a good history with Carlton trades, Brock McLean for jordan gysberts was mutually beneficial (now that McLean has played a couple of good games)

They might be interested in a pick 30something and a Morton/ stef martin deal

Would hate to see Martin go but with the emergence of fitzy and gawn as genuine heirs to jamar and Clark able to do the secondary ruck role I can see him getting starved of opportunities in coming years and think that this year has taught Carlton a valuable lesson in needing depth of mobile big men. Kreuzer will go back to their genuine number 1 ruck and hampson and warlock are to one dimensional

* forgive spelling mistakes with names, still getting used to the bloody auto correct on iPad

We need to pick up a few otherwise its gonna be hard to attract anyone with anything but money

"but with the emergence of fitzy and gawn as genuine heirs to jamar "

please no humour here, be serious. Gawn has shown a 5-minute glimpse but knees are a big big worry. Fitzy is awkward, not smart and a long way off.