We could do with Schwarz back at the club mentoring Watta, Cook & McDonald.

Well you won't Billy don't put us all in the same category.

And please answer the question...Why should David Schwartz reveal his sources??

WYL, in answer to your question, I would like to think that Schwarz discussed this with the Club. It's my personal view, especially given all this regret he has about not being back at the Club and not having any/many friends left. Perhaps he could've gone to Lyon and confessed to him. I don't really care, but it may have been a good way to get back "in" if he spoke to the right people. But considering you weren't invited to the "meeting with the members" (or whatever it was classed as) considering the amount of $$$ I have no doubt you have poured in to this Club, I find it hard to believe that you would know so much more about the whole saga. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

RR, I will not change my opinion about Schwarz. You're obviously passionate about the man, and I respect that. But mate, get over it if my opinion is something you don't want to hear. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. I don't think my comments/opinion is something to get worked up about though - it generally amounts to bugger all (unless I talk about sponorships!).

He may have ticked all the boxes above, and good on him if he did. If it was because of Schwarz that we landed 2 x 1st round picks instead of 1, because he told Schwab what he knew, then fantastic and I thank him for it. And good luck to posters of Demonland if they "know" what happened, and sorry to put you in my own mushroom category.

Tragedy, 94 finals Scwarta tore them up. Played over 100 games without missing after 3rd comeback.

How can you say this? Everyone called him a liar (not with that exact word) except for RPFC and me! I don't know 1 media personality that did believe him. Any journo that wrote an article saying that he is leaving are bascially calling him a liar, as he told the media that he hadn't been approached by GWS.

Look up the threads, and have a look at whose side of the fence Nasher (to use rpfc's trick of self-referral in third person), nutbean and others were on. I want my credit for being part of the sucker club!

Though I wouldn't say I "believed" him per se, more like giving him the benefit of the considerable doubt, which may or may not amount to the same thing.

Does anyone know if Schwartz went to Jimmys funeral?

He was at Jim's funeral.

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The ox was my favourite player as a lad, but as a commentator he is an embarrassment. I remember watching a game a few years ago when he was doing "special" comments for television and I was actually convinced that he'd recently had a stroke or at the very least alcohol induced brain damage. Every comment he made seemed to either make no sense or contradict itself. The other commentators were stumped as to what to say every time he finished a sentence. Did I hallucinate this?

WYL, in answer to your question, I would like to think that Schwarz discussed this with the Club. It's my personal view, especially given all this regret he has about not being back at the Club and not having any/many friends left. Perhaps he could've gone to Lyon and confessed to him. I don't really care, but it may have been a good way to get back "in" if he spoke to the right people. But considering you weren't invited to the "meeting with the members" (or whatever it was classed as) considering the amount of $$$ I have no doubt you have poured in to this Club, I find it hard to believe that you would know so much more about the whole saga. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

RR, I will not change my opinion about Schwarz. You're obviously passionate about the man, and I respect that. But mate, get over it if my opinion is something you don't want to hear. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. I don't think my comments/opinion is something to get worked up about though - it generally amounts to bugger all (unless I talk about sponorships!).

He may have ticked all the boxes above, and good on him if he did. If it was because of Schwarz that we landed 2 x 1st round picks instead of 1, because he told Schwab what he knew, then fantastic and I thank him for it. And good luck to posters of Demonland if they "know" what happened, and sorry to put you in my own mushroom category.

Billy. The Ox told the truth and stuck to it. He did nothing wrong.

did i miss somethong or did he and neale daniher didn't get along really well??

Interesting views and points. From a personal perspective with the great man, V.G mate of mine was his roommate during his heyday and so I often did stints in btwn there's, the Motel, and pubs across sth and port Melb. Great times but also the result not so good with guys falling into some serious trouble both addiction & repayments they couldn't make. Gun bloke, was full of it, but was never an admirer off the field only on, but now, respect a plenty to get himself back... And I think his determination & courage too face the truth would be welcomed back at the club particularly now to develop a spine in some of these players C Morton if we seriously decide he's worth a penny, definitely J Watts would appreciate it, to stand up to external rubbish, etc.

If anyone can't tell me they didn't hear that knee snap a 3rd time (or 2nd) against Sydney (i think) that disasterous day at the G I'll go hee, there was a deftly silence around the stadium that you just really felt for the guy. The only other time I've heard a true mourning silence around the G was paying tribute to Jimmy... God bless, we are blessed to be the supporters of a great club still

Thanks David, great story, a real shame about players being disenfranchised and no long term friendships.

Junior , Brucey ,Woey, and Millsy just a few examples.

Would rarely ever happen at Collingwood or Geelong, that an ex player would not be comfortable.

We have a long way to go in regards to being a club.

Sorry but I must say - what a nonsense. I suspect his discomfort is in relation to what his "shortcomings" were during his playing days and not because of the "club".

Whilst I am not putting him quite in the same category, Akermanis,Fevola and Carey wouldnt feel comfortable at their former clubs either and again,it wouldnt be a reflection on the club.

Talk to the likes of Ingo about what club means to him and the lifelong friends he has made.

We will never know the true stroy, especially about who knew what. End of story.

With what has come to light now I would suggest that if Scully's story was tried in a criminal court - he would get off (beyond reasonable doubt).If it was tried as a Civil matter - I would think "gornski" (balance of probabilities)

With what has come to light now I would suggest that if Scully's story was tried in a criminal court - he would get off (beyond reasonable doubt).If it was tried as a Civil matter - I would think "gornski" (balance of probabilities)

And he wouldn't last 5 seconds in front of the Inquisition (Inquisitio Haereticae Pravitatis)

CAn anyone post a link with the Ox and $cully interview, sounds like a good listen??