So do you think young Jesse should have had a taste of playing now, or not, od?

He was one of a very few that looked the quality of the opposition H_T

Seems like I was wrong

The sad part is he won't play in the real games and with his loss I would say we would be barely better than last year.

Same old same old to me tonight H_T

On that form we have no hope against Port next week.

Only 22nd Feb and the year looks very long already

The only upside I saw tonight was we won't get accused of tanking in 2013

no point peaking early chaps......plenty of time till opening round

no point peaking early chaps......plenty of time till opening round

You never cease to bring a smile to my face dc

God don't leave

I think tonight was my fault. I sent a whole lot of banana souffles around to the club for the boys and I think they over indulged.

I think tonight was my fault. I sent a whole lot of banana souffles around to the club for the boys and I think they over indulged.

I thought you predicted 2 losses Redleg.

Fairly confident it is not your fault

we still have a lot of players who are way behind on skill

Another 7-8 changed again at the end of this year will help.

Lets not forget we are trying to undo 7-8 years of poor selections in a couple of years.

We have at least one or two more to go to get back to where we should have been at the start of 2011

I thought you predicted 2 losses Redleg.

Fairly confident it is not your fault

we still have a lot of players who are way behind on skill

Another 7-8 changed again at the end of this year will help.

Lets not forget we are trying to undo 7-8 years of poor selections in a couple of years.

We have at least one or two more to go to get back to where we should have been at the start of 2011

Yes I did predict both losses but thought we did reasonably well. But for the super goal we win the first match and of course Sylvia's miss from 30 out straight in front. Thought our disposal was as usual pathetic and our turnovers are what is costing us football games. Forward line too crowded early. Jordie's disposal tonight atrocious. Hogan looks good. I have no worries with JV. Pederson was poor, Byrnes ordinary. Rodan good. Kent showed some promise. Dawes ordinary.

The 2nd game we were clearly tired and the Tiges ran us off our legs. We lost 3 players, came off a hot first game and played a fresh side. Jimmy good. Flash not. Joel Mac's disposal still hopeless. Watts a great night and Jones too as usual. We were entltled to stop and get smashed but we hung in. Too many hardly had a touch, like Howe, in this game.

Not disappointed in our first hitout. We kept at it.

Yes I did predict both losses but thought we did reasonably well. But for the super goal we win the first match and of course Sylvia's miss from 30 out straight in front. Thought our disposal was as usual pathetic and our turnovers are what is costing us football games. Forward line too crowded early. Jordie's disposal tonight atrocious. Hogan looks good. I have no worries with JV. Pederson was poor, Byrnes ordinary. Rodan good. Kent showed some promise. Dawes ordinary.

The 2nd game we were clearly tired and the Tiges ran us off our legs. We lost 3 players, came off a hot first game and played a fresh side. Jimmy good. Flash not. Joel Mac's disposal still hopeless. Watts a great night and Jones too as usual. We were entltled to stop and get smashed but we hung in. Too many hardly had a touch, like Howe, in this game.

Not disappointed in our first hitout. We kept at it.

It is every game

If you cannot kick in today's game you are a liability.

When JM struggles to make the 22 we will be a good side.

How come he never gets injured and the good players do.

I would swap him for Trengove in a heart beat

It was clear tonight, if we had disposed better we would have beaten North. That would have to be seen as an improvement. As for Jordie, he does a lot well, but disposal is his weakness. He must improve in that area or IMO there is no pace for him in the side, if we are going to be any good.

Spoke to Neil Craig at the family day and he thought in two years we could be a very good side.

It is every game

If you cannot kick in today's game you are a liability.

When JM struggles to make the 22 we will be a good side.

How come he never gets injured and the good players do.

I would swap him for Trengove in a heart beat

Both JMs couldn't hit a barn.

Fierce defensively but zero composure.

Oh well-pressure is on to improve or go to Casey.

Did anyone notice in the last 2 minutes of the North game, 20 metres out, right in front of umpire 15 Nicholls, who must have paid 10 frees to North and 1 to us, Sylvia slung to the ground without the ball by Majak Daw. Obvious free and a goal wins it for us. Glad it is only the NAB Cup.

PS. I really feel that Dwayne Russell dislikes us as a club. Snide comments and failing to put things in a balanced way are noticable.

I really feel that Dwayne Russell dislikes us as a club. Snide comments and failing to put things in a balanced way are noticable.

I don't know why you're so surprised about Russell bagging the club when we have supporters and even an ex-president kicking the club when its down.

Treat yourself to a banana smoothie and relax about it.

I don't know why you're so surprised about Russell bagging the club when we have supporters and even an ex-president kicking the club when its down.

Treat yourself to a banana smoothie and relax about it.

I tried but they were out of bananas. Not the first time it has happened either. I had a pineapple and lemon crush instead. Quite good too.

I tried but they were out of bananas. Not the first time it has happened either. I had a pineapple and lemon crush instead. Quite good too.

Mr. Leg. I live four doors away from you and have plenty of that yellow fruit at my place so if your craving persists your welcome to pick up a couple this arvo.

I thought you predicted 2 losses Redleg.

Fairly confident it is not your fault

we still have a lot of players who are way behind on skill

Another 7-8 changed again at the end of this year will help.

Lets not forget we are trying to undo 7-8 years of poor selections in a couple of years.

We have at least one or two more to go to get back to where we should have been at the start of 2011

Some say you're too upbeat Old Dee. There's no doubt about it, you're incredibly optimistic.

Some say you're too upbeat Old Dee. There's no doubt about it, you're incredibly optimistic.

Only my opinion RtG

I just say it as I see it.

The result show I think I am close to the money.

I admire your relentlessness.

Anyone notice who was the Lions best player in both games and kicked a supergoal to boot?

Anyone notice who was the Lions best player in both games and kicked a supergoal to boot?

In that case he must have tanked in 2012 because he didn't seem to show much interest last year.

In that case he must have tanked in 2012 because he didn't seem to show much interest last year.

I think he got offside with the Coach early on and that was it for his year.

Good riddance anyway.

We don't need sooks.

i enjoyed my banana and yoghurt this morning.

I enjoyed the sqawkers also losing both games. We must be as good as they are then !! it bodes well me thinks

A coffee beckons !! I can rely on the coffeee

I smell a piece of banana bread with that coffee BB.

I admire your relentlessness.

RtG As I see it at least half the list at the end of 2012 was below AFL standard or at the least unable to get us into finals football.

You only have to look at the results over 2011 -12.

We replaced 14 at the end of 2012 and I think there is at min. another 8 to go.

Nothing I saw in the team that played Richmond on Friday night suggested there are not still plenty below the required standard.

This year when all are fit I would say we have an improved best 22 but after they we still fall away badly.

IMO to be a side capable of playing finals football you need 30 - 32 players of good quality IMO we are still way short of that mark.

You have no argument here in relation to your last post. I reckon we're three top liners short and not necessarily all mids. I don't prescribe to the mid, mids and more mids philosophy by the way.

Most critical thing IMO is disposal improvement. We are very poor in this area and unless we improve, the rest won't matter.

The next issue is our gameplan in so far as it relates to creating the loose man and forward setup.