6 minutes ago, dieter said:

Beelzebub, do you really reside in Hades?

Where else ?

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Where else ?

Ah, I forgot, this is Demonland.

I've just thought about it, being brought up as a Roman (sic) catholic, maybe I should be a Saints supporter. After all, they have as many Germans as the Demons...

17 minutes ago, dieter said:

Ah, I forgot, this is Demonland.

I've just thought about it, being brought up as a Roman (sic) catholic, maybe I should be a Saints supporter. After all, they have as many Germans as the Demons...

Probably more Demons in the Vatican than Saints 

5 hours ago, dieter said:

Croatia at that time was part of Austria...Also, German was Steiner's mother tongue, a bit of a giveaway as to who he felt he belonged to.

 

Hmmmm... Steiner's mother's tongue. 

I'd like to meet her...

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Biffen said:

You would think so but it's attracted many willing to see it unfurled.

Are you going to come home with a Vietnamese wife Biff? Sacre bleu!

Edited January 14, 20179 yr by Moonshadow

3 hours ago, daisycutter said:

at the time,bub i believe it could accurately be described as either the kingdom of croatia or the austrian empire

so either croatian or austrian would be correct

point being it was still croatia at the time, not a country per se but a kingdom

Not sure how many ways you think a hair can be split, daisy, but this isn't one of them. If you check, you'll find that Biffin claimed Steiner was Croatian. He wasn't, he was Austrian. He identified as Austrian.

Steiner may have been born in Croatia but he spent not much more than a year there, if that. He might have been entitled to a Croatian passport since the kingdom was able to issue these but I suspect you'll have great difficulty in demonstrating that he ever had one.

The only issue is (as it was before) that once again Biff's been having a lend of history. 

8 hours ago, Dr John Dee said:

Not sure how many ways you think a hair can be split, daisy, but this isn't one of them. If you check, you'll find that Biffin claimed Steiner was Croatian. He wasn't, he was Austrian. He identified as Austrian.

Steiner may have been born in Croatia but he spent not much more than a year there, if that. He might have been entitled to a Croatian passport since the kingdom was able to issue these but I suspect you'll have great difficulty in demonstrating that he ever had one.

The only issue is (as it was before) that once again Biff's been having a lend of history. 

As is his wanton.

Or, wantoness.

But all in all, because he's [redacted], we can yield him a wanton or two.

But no more.

Edited January 14, 20179 yr by Dr John Dee

42 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Hmmmm... Steiner's mother's tongue. 

I'd like to meet her...

She's dead, you necrophiliac.

37 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Are you going to come home with a Vietnamese wife Biff? Sacre bleu!

He'll marry three Ottoman Muslim refugees who sought sanctuary in Ho Chi Ming City and claim the dole for all of them.

4 hours ago, dieter said:

I was referring more to the pre-WW1 era. Britten especially post dates, here. You could get away with Elgar, Vaughan Williams just. 

To counter, I could claim Arnold Schonberg as well. He, ironically, was going to 'ensure the dominance of 'German' music for the next 100 years'.

Sure. Arnie's 'Peace on Earth' is a favourite of mine ... Mahler has more than his share of moments as well.

3 hours ago, Biffen said:

Main thing is.... 

There is still a place for people to be weird."

That is why they invented Australia ...

2 hours ago, dieter said:

They in fact lost both wars in big ways, especially the second, Mr Biff, because the idiot Churchill put the Empire on the line and it vanished in a poof of smoke, not cigar smoke either.  They lost the First because through their sheer greed and stupidity they made the second inevitable. Serves them right because it was mainly their idiotic notion that they were the world's top dog and it ought to stay that way that caused the First.

Not sure that I see the link between British rah-rah and the assassination of Archiduke Ferdinand (heir to which throne again? ) but you have a good point about military victory but economic loss in both wars. IMHO I think it was more the insanity of the German Kaiser which ensured that a relatively minor dispute in the Balkans escalated into a pan-European Gotterdamerung that killed millions, but that was only possible because of the Great Powers of the time (Britain, Russia, Germany, France etc) wanting to belt the snot out of each other at any given opportunity. Makes Demonland look positively sane ...

Edited January 14, 20179 yr by Red and Bluebeard
Grammar

14 hours ago, beelzebub said:

By far the most interesting thread here on DLand.

Meanwhile back at the Gat.....

Or at the fruitshop looking for nice bananas.

9 hours ago, Dr John Dee said:

Not sure how many ways you think a hair can be split, daisy, but this isn't one of them. If you check, you'll find that Biffin claimed Steiner was Croatian. He wasn't, he was Austrian. He identified as Austrian.

Steiner may have been born in Croatia but he spent not much more than a year there, if that. He might have been entitled to a Croatian passport since the kingdom was able to issue these but I suspect you'll have great difficulty in demonstrating that he ever had one.

The only issue is (as it was before) that once again Biff's been having a lend of history. 

well doc  i never claimed he was croation. i'd class him as ethnically austrian with a technical claim to croatia and a 50% genetic claim. With croatia currently having a good dose of nationalism i'm sure they'd readily claim him, but that's a different story

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in 1987 only 6 percent of Austrians identified themselves as "Germans"

 

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Proponents who recognize Austrians as a nation claim that Austrians have Celtic heritage, as Austria is the location of the first characteristically Celtic culture to exist.^[28] It is said that Celtic Austria became culturally Romanized under Roman rule and later culturally Germanized after Germanic invasions.^[28] Contemporary Austrians express pride in having Celtic heritage and Austria possesses one of the largest collections of Celtic artifacts in Europe.^[29]

I wonder what the little man with the funny toothbrush would think of his birth country now

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

I wonder what the little man with the funny toothbrush would think of his birth country now

He probably want to paint a different picture 

5 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

He probably want to paint a different picture 

originally celtic, then romanised, then germanised..........hmmmm....reminds me of another european country

24 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

originally celtic, then romanised, then germanised..........hmmmm....reminds me of another european country

You mean the Sassenachs?

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

well doc  i never claimed he was croation. i'd class him as ethnically austrian with a technical claim to croatia and a 50% genetic claim. With croatia currently having a good dose of nationalism i'm sure they'd readily claim him, but that's a different story

I don't know whether the Croatians outdo the New Zealanders in laying claim to people and achievements from elsewhere but it probably says enough that they never seem to have noticed Steiner.

13 hours ago, dieter said:

That's why I love ya, Mr Biff, despite your tendencies to exaggerate.It's the weird factor.

Are you, by chance of Slavonic Origin?

Pure mongrel.

5 minutes ago, Dr John Dee said:

I don't know whether the Croatians outdo the New Zealanders in laying claim to people and achievements from elsewhere but it probably says enough that they never seem to have noticed Steiner.

I've been to Vienna many times.

Mostly on my way to Budapest.

I thought Franz Kafka was From Prague.

There is the minuscule chance I could be wrong.

43 minutes ago, Biffen said:

I've been to Vienna many times.

Mostly on my way to Budapest.

I thought Franz Kafka was From Prague.

There is the minuscule chance I could be wrong.

I think maybe you should read dieter's post again.  

19 minutes ago, dieter said:

You mean the Sassenachs?

you're good dieter

18 minutes ago, Dr John Dee said:

I don't know whether the Croatians outdo the New Zealanders in laying claim to people and achievements from elsewhere but it probably says enough that they never seem to have noticed Steiner.

seems they do, doc. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Croats

39 minutes ago, dieter said:

You mean the Sassenachs?

learn something here everyday...lol

Ich bin ein sassenach