These two players are looking very shaky to stay on our list. Certain starters for a trade IMO however they may keep Dunn for depth. Both these boys promised so much but have not delivered which is unfortunate for them. We now look to have more options up forward...

Dunn is contracted for next year if my memory serves me correctly.

Doubt anyone will want his services enough to trade for him.

Bate is gone.

Yeah I reckon Bate is gone. Dunn I think as written above does have another year.

Trade Dunn away for a 4th rounder. Delist Bate.

Both needed, both will play next year.

Howe has ended Bate's career at the MFC in my opinion.

Both needed, both will play next year.

On what premise do you base that statement??? Neither of them have done squat this year, and Bate did squat last year. They may perform in VFL, but it never translates. The only thing that may save one of them is that Newton has to be in the gun first.

Howe to be honest didnt have a great day at the office.

I would trade Bennell, Morton, Wonna and Bate before Dunn IMHO.

Howe has ended Bate's career at the MFC in my opinion.

Agreed, good post.

For the same reson we didnt get rid of Jamar two years back when everyone wanted him gone. some players take more time and we Dont get rid of them just because this forum wants them sold. Bit like the big Jack watts mistake. Oh hang on he looks good now

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For the same reson we didnt get rid of Jamar two years back when everyone wanted him gone. some players take more time and we Dont get rid of them just because this forum wants them sold. Bit like the big Jack watts mistake. Oh hang on he looks good now

What?

Bate and Dunn have both had far, far longer than Watts.

Bate takes far too long to get going, he can't translate VFL form to the AFL. Generally takes him a month or so, compare to Howe's near-instant impact.

Dunn has had one fairly good season last year, but has been absolutely godawful this year. If/when he gets a senior recall, he will have to grab it by the throat or else his chance at the MFC is gone.

The reason both of these players are up is that they are both 24 and thus at a prime stage to be trade bait. A 24 year old leading forward with some muscle on him? I can think of a half dozen clubs who'd go for him as a trade. Not to mention GWS - trade Dunn to GWS for the 17 year old, free up the cap space and use the pick to grab JV a year early. Then you get Dunn's wages and use 'em on Scully.

For the same reson we didnt get rid of Jamar two years back when everyone wanted him gone. some players take more time and we Dont get rid of them just because this forum wants them sold. Bit like the big Jack watts mistake. Oh hang on he looks good now

For starters, I have never said or even inferred that Watts was a mistake, and nor did I want Jamar gone. Bate has had enough time to cement his position that to reference Jamar in the same conversation is just stupid. Dunn might get a reprieve, but needs to show something, cause he has shown nothing this year. Actually, he has been really bad, and we have depth. You can't try to win an argument against me by doing the standard "Jamar, Watts, blah blah", because I was never a part of that conversation. Unfortunately for either these blokes, they aren't supremely talented, Bate is older, and they are well and truly underperforming in a team which has depth and realistically does not need them.

For the same reson we didnt get rid of Jamar two years back when everyone wanted him gone. some players take more time and we Dont get rid of them just because this forum wants them sold. Bit like the big Jack watts mistake. Oh hang on he looks good now

Silly comparison. Jamar's a ruckman who was excellent backup for White when we were in the finals.

Both Bate & Dunn have had multiple opportunities and haven't had niggling injuries like Rush has had.

Howe to be honest didnt have a great day at the office.

I would trade Bennell, Morton, Wonna and Bate before Dunn IMHO.

Trade bennel before Dunn are you serious? Can't agree with that. The others yes, although they all hold little currency.

Trade bennel before Dunn are you serious? Can't agree with that. The others yes, although they all hold little currency.

+1

Bennell has sooo much pace. Once he is surrounded by sublime skill, he will be a force for sure.

According to this article, both are contracted until the end of 2012.

According to this article, both are contracted until the end of 2012.

Contract, schmontract, if the club agree to a trade or deal with another club and the player agrees to another contract the contract can be terminated. Just like soccer really, half the transfers for those exorberant fees are for players under contract. The ones that AREN'T contracted are the ones that go for free.

Contract, schmontract, if the club agree to a trade or deal with another club and the player agrees to another contract the contract can be terminated. Just like soccer really, half the transfers for those exorberant fees are for players under contract. The ones that AREN'T contracted are the ones that go for free.

I'm aware how contracts work, but it means that its not as simple as delisting either. Dunn may have a little bit of currency, but i have doubts whether Bate would be sought out by any other clubs.

It seems to me we may have to make a couple of tough list management decisions at the end of the season.

I'm aware how contracts work, but it means that its not as simple as delisting either. Dunn may have a little bit of currency, but i have doubts whether Bate would be sought out by any other clubs.

It seems to me we may have to make a couple of tough list management decisions at the end of the season.

I reckon both of them are primed to be traded for GWS for one of the 17-year-old picks.

I would trade Bennell, Morton, Wonna and Bate before Dunn IMHO.

Very hard on Bennell and Wonna, Dersert Fox. Bennell is a kid in his second year and has shown heaps of talent. He'll get more consistent with more experience. Wonna has had an horrendous year off the field. How about showing him some support. He'll be a beauty - just the sort of crumbing forward we need.

Bennell is in his third year, other than that I agree with you.

I'm not ready to give up on Dunn yet.

His form late last year was very good.

Dunn may have a little bit of currency, but i have doubts whether Bate would be sought out by any other clubs.

Miller got picked up .

Bates younger and a better kick .

He's got some currency IMO .

Howe has ended Bate's career at the MFC in my opinion.

Agreed. It's amazing how a 5 gamer can contribute more from day 1 than Bate.

I'm not ready to give up on Dunn yet.

His form late last year was very good.

Neither am I.....

I gave up on Dunn a long time ago.