On 03/12/2010 at 11:33, why you little said:

No HT i am pleased to say i have not been there!! Close a couple of times but always completed all tasks before Turning in!!

How 'bout yourself??

Too much information WYL.

Can't say I have.

  On 03/12/2010 at 11:38, High Tower said:

Too much information WYL.

Can't say I have.

HaHaHa!! i must say i was suprised at your first post, so i thought i would answer it truthfully.

They need to fix voting, so that teams that arent in the running vote and not the ones in the running, im sure the Qatar head guy , who apparently is set for sepp bladders job , paid some ppl. Tasmania is 6 times the size of Qatar and has strict laws on alcohol, not really i a holiday place, id prefer to go to Russia. Qatar never even qualified for the world cup or even done well in Asian Cup so im guessing they will recruit a Pim Verbeek coach for them

  On 03/12/2010 at 10:04, RalphiusMaximus said:

..It is a given that every game would be a sell-out if it were held in Australia. You can not possibly compare the economic benefits we might derive from this event to the two examples you have used..

To address this point alone, I don't believe you. Didn't the USA lose 10 billion from their WC?

Qatar v Romania in, say, a redeveloped 50k Subi statium in Perth @4pm on a Tuesday might, maybe get 20k and that's gifting 10k worth of schoolkids freebies.

  On 03/12/2010 at 10:04, RalphiusMaximus said:

I would also like to note to all those complaining about a low-scoring game, that one of my biggest gripes about Aussie rules is the ease with which goals are scored. One player getting their hands on the ball for a second is enough for a goal to happen. Where are the tactics in that? Where is the team play? What so many bemoan as boring because there are no goals being scored is to me a tight tactical battle. How can you not love seeing the resolution as an hour's work results finally in a breakthrough goal?

If i went to a football game and had to wait 60 minutes for the first goal, i'd be G O R N!!!

Then again, there was that infamous match a few years ago in Adelaide b/w the Crows and North Melbourne, where neither side scored a goal till the last 2 minutes of the second quarter despite perfect conditions. There were lots of tactics to score goals that night - none of them worked very well. It was 1 goal someting to no goals something at half time. Funniest game i'd ever seen.

  On 02/12/2010 at 19:34, pitmaster said:

I know plenty of Aussie Rules fans would have been happy to see us win the World Cup but I am glad soccer in tis country is not getting a free kick from FIFA.

The fact that 300 people in Sydney turned up to a live site for the announcement sums it up. Three hundred gave a damn, but when it came to the Olympics 10,000 turned out for the announcement. It simply ain't a dominant sport here.

It is hilarious that whenever Australia bids for one of these events (Melbourne 1996 another example) many people suddenly believe we deserve it. FCS this is the first time we have shown interest in the World Cup and we have barely ever qualified. Knocked out in the first round while Qatar scores in every round should tell you something.

TV scheduling may have turned FIFA voters off, but let's not forget these international circuses are totally corrupt and we don't know how to play these games so well.

Fundamentally, it's good for our indigenous game - footy - that Australia missed out. Maybe they can go back to calling it soccer again.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ That's what I think, too,Pitmaster.

I'm so glad the 2022 season of Australian Football won't be disrupted. That could just be the year we overtake Carlton for the most flags!(I hope!!!!)

  On 03/12/2010 at 10:04, RalphiusMaximus said:

I would also like to note to all those complaining about a low-scoring game, that one of my biggest gripes about Aussie rules is the ease with which goals are scored. One player getting their hands on the ball for a second is enough for a goal to happen. Where are the tactics in that? Where is the team play? What so many bemoan as boring because there are no goals being scored is to me a tight tactical battle. How can you not love seeing the resolution as an hour's work results finally in a breakthrough goal?

How do you like the resolution when a player takes a dive in the hope the opposition is reduced to 10 players ?

Maybe you enjoy the tactics of diving in the penalty box at the 79th minute to steal the game .

During the last WC there were 2 players trying to lay claim to the next "Hand of God" goal , in effect stating that they cheated and were looking to cement their place in history by doing it .

Great tactics these.

AFL supporter on AFL-related website in "Aussie rules better than Soccer" shocker!

  On 05/12/2010 at 12:33, Fork said:

How do you like the resolution when a player takes a dive in the hope the opposition is reduced to 10 players ?

Maybe you enjoy the tactics of diving in the penalty box at the 79th minute to steal the game .

During the last WC there were 2 players trying to lay claim to the next "Hand of God" goal , in effect stating that they cheated and were looking to cement their place in history by doing it .

Great tactics these.

Read the following book and let me know when something similar is available on the history of Australian Rules Football tactics... I won't hold my breath, mate.

http://www.amazon.com/Inverting-Pyramid-History-Football-Tactics/dp/0752889958

I'm all for beauty being in the eye of the beholder, but if you genuinely think that the tactics and thinking behind the game of aussie rules is anywhere near as important as what happens in "soccer" or how the game has been developed tactically (in both games) then I really don't think you have a good understanding of either game.

  On 06/12/2010 at 04:35, The Jacks said:

Read the following book and let me know when something similar is available on the history of Australian Rules Football tactics... I won't hold my breath, mate.

http://www.amazon.com/Inverting-Pyramid-History-Football-Tactics/dp/0752889958

I'm all for beauty being in the eye of the beholder, but if you genuinely think that the tactics and thinking behind the game of aussie rules is anywhere near as important as what happens in "soccer" or how the game has been developed tactically (in both games) then I really don't think you have a good understanding of either game.

This looks like a dare, so I'll bite.

get on to the red fox website and read the 128 pages of Len Smith's coaching notes.

I haven't read the book you point to but if you are trying to claim there is a greater strategic background to soccer you might need to try harder.

  On 06/12/2010 at 05:29, pitmaster said:

This looks like a dare, so I'll bite.

get on to the red fox website and read the 128 pages of Len Smith's coaching notes.

I haven't read the book you point to but if you are trying to claim there is a greater strategic background to soccer you might need to try harder.

Sorry mate, do you have a link or some more info so I can find what you're talking about?

Actually, i might have just found it...

  On 06/12/2010 at 05:37, The Jacks said:

Sorry mate, do you have a link or some more info so I can find what you're talking about?

Actually, i might have just found it...

This is what you need mate.

http://www.theredfox.com.au/

PITMASTER - what is the book like?

Because the book I mentioned (Inverting the Pyramid) is not the notes of one particular coach/manager ro a collection of notes from coaches/managers. It's a history tfootball tactics.

The author no doubt looked at dozens (if not hundreds) of such coaches notes, some more than 128 pages.

It's a book that looks at the origins of the game, the origins of the original rules and tactics of the game. It looks at the pioneers of successful (and not so successful) tactics. Covers the clever coaches that moulded the game into the tactical battle it is (well, it can be) today.

I'm not really doing it justice... But my original point was that such a book could not be written on aussie rules. Not due to a lack of quality footy writers, but because it's a completely different game. Tactically, they're not in the same solar system. The thought that has gone into "soccer" tactics and the development and impact it has had on the game dwarfs anything that has gone on in the AFL. That the game is played by so many people from so many different countries, and intellectualised and debated by all these people makes it something that aussie rules can never be.

Aside from the obvious differences in the game, this is one of them.

I suppose it comes down to how you think about the game (both games).

  On 06/12/2010 at 05:46, The Jacks said:

PITMASTER - what is the book like?

Because the book I mentioned (Inverting the Pyramid) is not the notes of one particular coach/manager ro a collection of notes from coaches/managers. It's a history tfootball tactics.

The author no doubt looked at dozens (if not hundreds) of such coaches notes, some more than 128 pages.

It's a book that looks at the origins of the game, the origins of the original rules and tactics of the game. It looks at the pioneers of successful (and not so successful) tactics. Covers the clever coaches that moulded the game into the tactical battle it is (well, it can be) today.

I'm not really doing it justice... But my original point was that such a book could not be written on aussie rules. Not due to a lack of quality footy writers, but because it's a completely different game. Tactically, they're not in the same solar system. The thought that has gone into "soccer" tactics and the development and impact it has had on the game dwarfs anything that has gone on in the AFL. That the game is played by so many people from so many different countries, and intellectualised and debated by all these people makes it something that aussie rules can never be.

Aside from the obvious differences in the game, this is one of them.

I suppose it comes down to how you think about the game (both games).

You do talk rubbish Jacks. For variety of tactics I would say soccer rates behind all the football codes except maybe NRL

  On 06/12/2010 at 05:46, The Jacks said:

PITMASTER - what is the book like?

Because the book I mentioned (Inverting the Pyramid) is not the notes of one particular coach/manager ro a collection of notes from coaches/managers. It's a history tfootball tactics.

The author no doubt looked at dozens (if not hundreds) of such coaches notes, some more than 128 pages.

It's a book that looks at the origins of the game, the origins of the original rules and tactics of the game. It looks at the pioneers of successful (and not so successful) tactics. Covers the clever coaches that moulded the game into the tactical battle it is (well, it can be) today.

I'm not really doing it justice... But my original point was that such a book could not be written on aussie rules. Not due to a lack of quality footy writers, but because it's a completely different game. Tactically, they're not in the same solar system. The thought that has gone into "soccer" tactics and the development and impact it has had on the game dwarfs anything that has gone on in the AFL. That the game is played by so many people from so many different countries, and intellectualised and debated by all these people makes it something that aussie rules can never be.

Aside from the obvious differences in the game, this is one of them.

I suppose it comes down to how you think about the game (both games).

You need to read the 1977 book "The Coach" Aussie Rules is jammed full of tactics when you know what to look for. Soccer is Possession, aviod being off side, and don't touch the ball with your hands=(apart from Maradona who i consider a cheat)

You guys are genuinely funny.

I'm not saying aussie rules doesn't have a tactical side. It is being developed quite well in recent times.

But when having a go at "soccer" like that, you are really just showing yourselves up as not understanding the game. It's ok not to like the game, I don't really care if you hate it. But this is just amusing.

You may like to watch the odd game of "soccer", you may watch lots of it, but you definitely don't understand it.

Very happy Australia didn't win the bid, I detest the game and a great majority of the crowd it attracts. The media beef-up in the months prior to, during and after the event would have been tumultuous too.

  On 06/12/2010 at 06:46, The Jacks said:

You guys are genuinely funny.

I'm not saying aussie rules doesn't have a tactical side. It is being developed quite well in recent times.

But when having a go at "soccer" like that, you are really just showing yourselves up as not understanding the game. It's ok not to like the game, I don't really care if you hate it. But this is just amusing.

You may like to watch the odd game of "soccer", you may watch lots of it, but you definitely don't understand it.

I understand the Boredom of European soccer to well my friend. Have seen it for years, and the violence it attracts in the crowd.

I am within my rights to understand it, and also dislike it.

EPL is Fantastic.

  On 06/12/2010 at 05:29, pitmaster said:

This looks like a dare, so I'll bite.

get on to the red fox website and read the 128 pages of Len Smith's coaching notes.

I haven't read the book you point to but if you are trying to claim there is a greater strategic background to soccer you might need to try harder.

10/10 response. I believe those notes were written in the '50s.

If you want tactics in football, then have a look at the NFL.

  On 05/12/2010 at 12:33, Fork said:

How do you like the resolution when a player takes a dive in the hope the opposition is reduced to 10 players ?

Maybe you enjoy the tactics of diving in the penalty box at the 79th minute to steal the game .

During the last WC there were 2 players trying to lay claim to the next "Hand of God" goal , in effect stating that they cheated and were looking to cement their place in history by doing it .

Great tactics these.

Are you saying diving isn't equally prevalent in the AFL? It is a blight upon the game, as it is in soccer. We even see a similar situation where certain teams and players are renowned for doing so, and the officials still refuse to act on it. While in soccer it is the obligatory roll around clutching a knee, in Aussie rules we have tricks such as throwing the head back whenever tackled, dropping to the knees when tackled from behind and lifting an arm to force a tackle high.

I despise diving or staging for frees in any game. It is a disgrace and players caught at it should be banned.

On that note, how many players have been suspended by the AFL for diving? Off the top of my head I can't think of any. Ever. FIFA on the other hand have on at least one occasion done so, handing a two match ban to Rivaldo for a blatant dive (which the referee bought).

  On 06/12/2010 at 08:24, RalphiusMaximus said:

FIFA on the other hand have on at least one occasion done so, handing a two match ban to Rivaldo for a blatant dive (which the referee bought).

FIFA have such a marvelous record at playing fair don't they.

  On 06/12/2010 at 10:15, why you little said:

FIFA have such a marvelous record at playing fair don't they.

Utterly revolting stuff.

I'll call it football. I'll call it whatever Craig Foster's orange face wants me to call it...

But having 14 sleazy, corrupted, soulless, wastes of human skin deciding where they play one of the greatest celebrations of humanity is abhorrent and sickening and throws me back into AFL Football like a child back to their mother.

We all lost something more precious than 64 games of football on Australian soil.

  On 06/12/2010 at 06:46, The Jacks said:

You guys are genuinely funny.

I'm not saying aussie rules doesn't have a tactical side. It is being developed quite well in recent times.

But when having a go at "soccer" like that, you are really just showing yourselves up as not understanding the game. It's ok not to like the game, I don't really care if you hate it. But this is just amusing.

You may like to watch the odd game of "soccer", you may watch lots of it, but you definitely don't understand it.

Neither game is that interesting tactically. It's like comparing the size of an apple and orange, while there's a pumpkin sitting next to them with a big "NFL" sticker on it.

heart v VICTORY on Saturday night is going to effing rock. While it may not last here, you can't get that kind of atmosphere and game in the AFL.

I've been lucky enough to see the mancs v Liverpool (in the away end at Old Trafford), Sevilla v Real Betis, Tottenham v Arsenal and a few other games with massive tension and passion involved and it brings something different to the sport you just don't have in AFL.

Before anyone blows their lid about crowd violence and horrible chanting, etc, that's not what I'm referring too.

I just can't get excited about either the Heart or the Victory, not for lacking of trying.

I just don't care.

The quality isn't there.

I guess it's like when I've been to lesser EPL matches.

I once saw Middlesborough take on Fulham and was thoroughly disinterested.

Give me Arsenal v Tottenham any day.