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[Clintosaurus 7,926]

Biggest disappointment today was the Jets not ticking over 50. Had their chance to late but took the knee. Weak. Does keep with the philosophy of not running up the score.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

10 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Biggest disappointment today was the Jets not ticking over 50. Had their chance to late but took the knee. Weak. Does keep with the philosophy of not running up the score.

Just before the end of the game they went for it on 4th down. lol

[JV7 2,375]

4 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Biggest disappointment today was the Jets not ticking over 50. Had their chance to late but took the knee. Weak. Does keep with the philosophy of not running up the score.

I've always hated this concept in the NFL... Really don't understand it, put them to the sword!

[Macca 17,113]

Might post up the lines late Tuesday's to get it out of the way ... some like to post their tips early as well.  2 points on offer this week as it's the first of the bonus weeks - other bonus weeks ... 5,  7,  9,  11,  13,  15 & 17.  Good luck!

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[Macca 17,113]

On 9/2/2018 at 5:20 PM, Dr. Gonzo said:

Hope it's a good building year for J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!! Darnold has looked promising so far. Was hoping we would get Mack he is exactly what we need but oh well, Bears lucked out with that one.

Top rate start for your Jets and a real good start for Darnold - got picked off with a return TD with his first ever throw but he joins exalted company in Brett Favre in that department.  Did well from then on though.

Highest winning margin (31pts) in Darnold's first game too since ... Tom Brady in 2001.  Heady stuff!

Your defence took Detroit apart with 4 picks as well.  Apparently they got a read on Stafford's play-calling (hand signals) so kudos.

Edited September 11, 2018 by Macca

[Dr. Gonzo 24,444]

On 9/10/2018 at 5:56 AM, Gorgoroth said:

I already hate the the new helmet rule but more so the new rule of not landing your body weight on a QB. that hit on Rothelsberger was perfect, if Ben holds it that long h3 deserves the hit and the player who prob weighs half as much as Big Ben landing on him.

That rule is absolute rubbish at first I thought they were being called for late hits but then I realised no it's every tackle you're not allowed to land on the QB. Youve gotta protect vulnerable players but that's just swinging it far too far in the QBs favour. NFL want to protect their skill players though to make it more interesting for tv

Oh and what a shellacking by the Jets!!! Couldn't believe it especially after Saviour Sam threw a pick 6 on the first play if his career. I can't remember the Jets ever putting up that many points - they probably have I just can't remember.

Gonna be a long season for the Lions was nice to see Patricia looking like a stunned mullet on the sidelines, not so easy without Belichick/Brady helping you out

 

Edited September 11, 2018 by Dr. Gonzo

[Dr. Gonzo 24,444]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

Top rate start for your Jets and a real good start for Darnold - got picked off with a return TD with his first ever throw but he joins exalted company in Brett Favre in that department.  Did well from then on though.

Highest winning margin (31pts) in Darnold's first game too since ... Tom Brady in 2001.  Heady stuff!

Your defence took Detroit apart with 4 picks as well.  Apparently they got a read on Stafford's play-calling (hand signals) so kudos.

Yep our D was great, Derron Lee (i think it was) got a pick 6 of his own and we also returned a punt for a TD which hasn't happened for a long time.

[layzie 34,338]

26 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

That rule is absolute rubbish at first I thought they were being called for late hits but then I realised no it's every tackle you're not allowed to land on the QB. Youve gotta protect vulnerable players but that's just swinging it far too far in the QBs favour. NFL want to protect their skill players though to make it more interesting for tv

Oh and what a shellacking by the Jets!!! Couldn't believe it especially after Saviour Sam threw a pick 6 on the first play if his career. I can't remember the Jets ever putting up that many points - they probably have I just can't remember.

Gonna be a long season for the Lions was nice to see Patricia looking like a stunned mullet on the sidelines, not so easy without Belichick/Brady helping you out

 

Yeah you’re supposed to apparently roll out mid tackle. Real tough to do for an edge rusher going at full bore!

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

@Macca Chargers, Panthers and Philly... Not confident on any. This is a tough week.

[Gorgoroth 13,184]

Question for you all. 

Brady or Rodgers both at their best.

 

[Macca 17,113]

2 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Question for you all. 

Brady or Rodgers both at their best.

 

Brady although Rodgers is still Super-Great

Brady (thanks to Beluchick to a large extent) has had a lit more success and that matters.

And Beluchick is the greatest coach of the modern era ... in any sport,  anywhere.

Edited September 12, 2018 by Macca

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

Texans, Chargers, Vikings for me @Macca

[Gorgoroth 13,184]

22 minutes ago, Macca said:

Brady although Rodgers is still Super-Great

Brady (thanks to Beluchick to a large extent) has had a lit more success and that matters.

And Beluchick is the greatest coach of the modern era ... in any sport,  anywhere.

Agree, but if you put both in the same team with the same coach then I think Rodgers is the better QB. Baluchick and the team he consistently put on the field is superior to the packers b7t in my eyes Rodgers is the better QB and more likely to win you games, especially when down.

[Macca 17,113]

28 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Agree, but if you put both in the same team with the same coach then I think Rodgers is the better QB. Baluchick and the team he consistently put on the field is superior to the packers b7t in my eyes Rodgers is the better QB and more likely to win you games, especially when down.

Maybe ... but it's a hypothetical so we have almost certainly never seen Brady's true brilliance 24/7

When he is called upon he has been brilliant.

So Brady wins out because of the success that cannot be ignored.

And we can't also can't ignore the 'Super-fan' element that surrounds Rodgers from non- Green Bay fans and the resentment and dislike that can often surround Brady.

So there is bias involved but not from this here realist ??

And Joe Montana could well beat the both of them!

Edited September 12, 2018 by Macca

[layzie 34,338]

4 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Question for you all. 

Brady or Rodgers both at their best.

 

In the purest form of the question which would probably be based on talent. It's Rodgers

[layzie 34,338]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

Maybe ... but it's a hypothetical so we have almost certainly never seen Brady's true brilliance 24/7

When he is called upon he has been brilliant.

So Brady wins out because of the success that cannot be ignored.

And we can't also can't ignore the 'Super-fan' element that surrounds Rodgers from non- Green Bay fans and the resentment and dislike that can often surround Brady.

So there is bias involved but not from this here realist ??

And Joe Montana could well beat the both of them!

Yeah very true. There are so many variables and it all depends on how we define best. It's also important to note Gorgoroth has said at their best and not in general. This is how I see it in general though:

If we're talking both QBs purely on talent and arm it's easily Rodgers

If we're talking about football IQ and line of scrimmage it's easily Brady

If we're talking about clutch performers in all weather at any venue it's Brady.

If we're talking about the talent around them well Brady has played with 1 HOF receiver in his whole career and when he did, broke the season TD record. While Aaron has usually had Pro Bowl Wide outs.

Leadership - Brady by a stretch

 

Long story short: On their day Rodgers is better. But Brady is the better QB.

 

[Gorgoroth 13,184]

Clutch performance I would rate Rodgers.

GB better WR, agree, Pats better TE and much better oline 

[layzie 34,338]

Just now, Gorgoroth said:

Clutch performance I would rate Rodgers.

GB better WR, agree, Pats better TE and much better oline 

That's fair enough, he is a great clutch performer. Reason I've gone with Brady is the playoff record and for venues and conditions there's one stat that bothers me with Rodgers. Win/loss at Lambeau - 61-16, win/loss on the road - 43-39.

Pats definitely much better O-line over the years, that's the secret sauce. Aaron has had some shocking lines.

[Macca 17,113]

14 minutes ago, layzie said:

That's fair enough, he is a great clutch performer. Reason I've gone with Brady is the playoff record and for venues and conditions there's one stat that bothers me with Rodgers. Win/loss at Lambeau - 61-16, win/loss on the road - 43-39.

Pats definitely much better O-line over the years, that's the secret sauce. Aaron has had some shocking lines.

Aesthetically pleasing - Rodgers by a street

Overall effectiveness - Brady easily

Most effective = Best.  In my opinion = Yes.

 

[layzie 34,338]

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Aesthetically pleasing - Rodgers by a street

Overall effectiveness - Brady easily

Most effective = Best.  In my opinion = Yes.

 

I'm along that line of thinking too. Love Rodgers but I'm a massive Brady nut.

[Macca 17,113]

9 minutes ago, layzie said:

I'm along that line of thinking too. Love Rodgers but I'm a massive Brady nut.

Great question by Gorg all the same

The other part of the argument is all the new gun QB's just starting out or newly established

Protecting the QB's has its own rewards.

[Gorgoroth 13,184]

I’m massive on getting good Oline. I watched a crap oline let people smash Bradford and co for years. Goff gets great protection the last year and a bit.

[JV7 2,375]

Panthers, Philly, Vikings

[layzie 34,338]

7 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

I’m massive on getting good Oline. I watched a crap oline let people smash Bradford and co for years. Goff gets great protection the last year and a bit.

To have a clean pocket means everything for a QB. For instance I think Dak Prescott is a decent QB. Will never be a star but I think he can turn out to be a good B or B+ QB. That line has made him look like Brady in recent years.

Edited September 12, 2018 by layzie

[Go the Biff 3,457]

Eagles

Chargers

Pats

 

......... and Brady over Rodgers