I'm not his biggest fan but he may be worth a shot in the backline in place of Warnock or Rivers who are not in the best of form at the moment. Is he injured, is he out because of discipline, or is he taking some time out to consider his future?

He has played his best football in the backline but with the Backs being in pretty good form at the time he was pushed forward; this did't work out too well so perhaps he should be looked at in the back half again. He is not a bad mark, he has a bit of courage, he is pretty quick for a big man and has pretty good balance, he couldn't do any worse than some of the big men we are playing in the backline at the moment.

  On 28/06/2010 at 10:03, RobbieF said:

I'm not his biggest fan but he may be worth a shot in the backline in place of Warnock or Rivers who are not in the best of form at the moment. Is he injured, is he out because of discipline, or is he taking some time out to consider his future?

He has played his best football in the backline but with the Backs being in pretty good form at the time he was pushed forward; this did't work out too well so perhaps he should be looked at in the back half again. He is not a bad mark, he has a bit of courage, he is pretty quick for a big man and has pretty good balance, he couldn't do any worse than some of the big men we are playing in the backline at the moment.

Injured.

Shame he's injured because we could use him right now.

He hasn't been on the injury list for a while has he?

Anyone know the nature and length of the injury?

What? when how bad is it?

  On 28/06/2010 at 10:03, RobbieF said:

I'm not his biggest fan but he may be worth a shot in the backline in place of Warnock or Rivers who are not in the best of form at the moment. Is he injured, is he out because of discipline, or is he taking some time out to consider his future?

He has played his best football in the backline but with the Backs being in pretty good form at the time he was pushed forward; this did't work out too well so perhaps he should be looked at in the back half again. He is not a bad mark, he has a bit of courage, he is pretty quick for a big man and has pretty good balance, he couldn't do any worse than some of the big men we are playing in the backline at the moment.

Agree with very thing you have said here mate and think he has a lot more upside then Warnock or Rivers( bigger,quicker,younger) as long as he does kick it!

  On 28/06/2010 at 14:00, walshy said:

Agree with very thing you have said here mate and think he has a lot more upside then Warnock or Rivers( bigger,quicker,younger) as long as he does kick it!

I don't see what's wrong with Warnock. He's a KPD. He prevents KPFs from scoring goals and he does that well.

Martin is a dud.

  On 28/06/2010 at 14:06, eth38 said:

I don't see what's wrong with Warnock. He's a KPD. He prevents KPFs from scoring goals and he does that well.

Martin is a dud.

its not that i think Warnock is a dud, i just see a bigger upside in Martin. When he did play in the backline he played some great games, but the club from what i can see wanted him to plug holes in other parts of the ground(Ruck,KPF)that he cant play, so people think he is a spud. Yesterday we were undersized in the backline and that also really showed out against geelong. Martin adds two things that we need in our backline, size and speed.

p.s. i still like matty warock.

  On 28/06/2010 at 10:57, 13thflag said:

What? when how bad is it?

I believe he has had an operation on his hip. I don't think it is too bad but I don't know when he will be back. It is strange that there has been nothing in the injured list about him.

  On 28/06/2010 at 15:15, longsuffering said:

I believe he has had an operation on his hip. I don't think it is too bad but I don't know when he will be back. It is strange that there has been nothing in the injured list about him.

He hasn't played a game for several weeks but they keep forgetting to put him on the injured list. Nothing wrong with that.

Is Matty Warnock in bad form?

I think maybe we're guilty of comparing him to his early season form which was stunning, if a bit overshadowed by Chip's rebounding.

I wouldn't be marking him on his game on the weekend. Our midfield, with Moloney out of the game, and Davey ineffective was playing like 2009. I thought the defence did everything they could given we were KILLED everywhere else.

  On 28/06/2010 at 21:36, Dappa Dan said:

Is Matty Warnock in bad form?

I think maybe we're guilty of comparing him to his early season form which was stunning, if a bit overshadowed by Chip's rebounding.

I wouldn't be marking him on his game on the weekend. Our midfield, with Moloney out of the game, and Davey ineffective was playing like 2009. I thought the defence did everything they could given we were KILLED everywhere else.

Warnocks form is not bad per se. However, in our last 5 matches, I think every forward that has played on him has given him an absolute towelling. Particularly on Sunday and against Geelong a few weeks back. The Geelong game was probably his worst. The worst for all our backmen right across the board, but he an JR had pretty ordinary games. On Sunday he matched up against 'lesser know' forwards and was comprehensively beaten

The other thing I noticed about Matty on Sunday was his inabilitity to stick a tackle. Too often I saw him beaten by his ooponent, half fall over, attempt to tackle the ooponent who easiy shrugged him off and wheeled round and kicked the goal. It has happened otyher weeks too. It is simply not up to the mark. A guy with a body like his should be sticking tackles and holding his ground. Two areas of his game, that at the moment, look concerning to me.

I wouldn't drop him though. I am still of the opinion that with him, Chip, JR, Garland plus Stef if needed, we need to try one of these guys at the other end of the ground if things in the back half arn't working out. IMHO, Sunday showed that there were too many bigger backman matching up against a forward line not known for its height nor stregnth. It is a waste having them all down back.

Warnock up forward could have some merit... Quickish and good hands. Tell him not too venture more than 40m from goal....

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/97138/default.aspx

This is the current injury list and Martin doesn't appear on it so is he injured?

  On 29/06/2010 at 09:22, RobbieF said:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/97138/default.aspx

This is the current injury list and Martin doesn't appear on it so is he injured?

Have heard a rumour circulating at Old Hailebury that he's going back there before season end.....from a reliable OH source, no idea if a reliable Dees source. Hoping this is crap and he's ready to return soon.

  On 29/06/2010 at 11:20, 1964nowMORE said:

Have heard a rumour circulating at Old Hailebury that he's going back there before season end.....from a reliable OH source, no idea if a reliable Dees source. Hoping this is crap and he's ready to return soon.

I'm pretty sure he is contracted, which means it's not even legally possible.

  On 29/06/2010 at 11:25, Jaded said:

I'm pretty sure he is contracted, which means it's not even legally possible.

Correct, 2011 for him.

  On 29/06/2010 at 11:46, ox_5_demons said:

Correct, 2011 for him.

Bump. For 'old dee'. This topic has been discussed

  On 29/06/2010 at 11:46, ox_5_demons said:

Correct, 2011 for him.

Well if he's not injured, he's not playing and he is contracted then where is he? Someone said a few weeks ago on here that he played at Casey and was dreadful so maybe he has a virus or something; does that constitute injured?

  On 01/07/2010 at 01:51, RobbieF said:

Well if he's not injured, he's not playing and he is contracted then where is he? Someone said a few weeks ago on here that he played at Casey and was dreadful so maybe he has a virus or something; does that constitute injured?

Spot on "RobbieF" what is the story? this is really frustrating, where the hell is he and what is the story?

I have contacted the club and the silence from them is deafening?

I don't get it or I am missing something!

On the bench for Casey this week.

  On 29/06/2010 at 11:25, Jaded said:

I'm pretty sure he is contracted, which means it's not even legally possible.

I'm pretty sure he can 'retire' from the AFL, effective immediately, if he wants. I think you're right though in that I can't imagine it being possible that he could be playing at another club at any level before the year is out.

  On 29/06/2010 at 11:20, 1964nowMORE said:

Have heard a rumour circulating at Old Hailebury that he's going back there before season end.....from a reliable OH source, no idea if a reliable Dees source. Hoping this is crap and he's ready to return soon.

The reliable OH source may well be confusing this year with next.

Stef's disappearance from injury lists, team lists and general club propoganda is concerning - because he certainly had potential. We know that he has plenty of other career options ..... I hope retirement isn't in the offing.

Anyway he's been named FF in Casey 2nds this week. You'd like to think that he'll be busting his gut to kick a bag of goals.

  On 28/06/2010 at 10:03, RobbieF said:

I'm not his biggest fan but he may be worth a shot in the backline in place of Warnock or Rivers who are not in the best of form at the moment. Is he injured, is he out because of discipline, or is he taking some time out to consider his future?

He has played his best football in the backline but with the Backs being in pretty good form at the time he was pushed forward; this did't work out too well so perhaps he should be looked at in the back half again. He is not a bad mark, he has a bit of courage, he is pretty quick for a big man and has pretty good balance, he couldn't do any worse than some of the big men we are playing in the backline at the moment.

Im not sure that 192 cm defenders like Rivers and Warnock are big enough to play on people like Kosi, Tippett and various rucks that nowadays go forward. I would have thought Martin was ideal for this type of role if fit. Easier to develop a stopper defender than a forward from someone from another code.

  On 01/07/2010 at 12:43, Redleg said:

On the bench for Casey this week.

THANK YOU REDLEG.

Still do not understand why he was never on the injured list however back in action so that is good.

  On 02/07/2010 at 00:17, poseidon burke said:

Im not sure that 192 cm defenders like Rivers and Warnock are big enough to play on people like Kosi, Tippett and various rucks that nowadays go forward. I would have thought Martin was ideal for this type of role if fit. Easier to develop a stopper defender than a forward from someone from another code.

Last week did show up a real weakness re our height restrictions in the backline. I think Martin should be now groomed for say a backline role with a turn in the ruck whwn required-similar to Tippet when he goes from a forward to a ruckman.