He's not tall enough to play on talls, he's not quick enough to play on the smalls, and he doesn't use it well enough to play as an offensive/rebounding defender.

Just about sums it up .......though you could have thrown in that he's not a particularly good decision maker either

To climb the ladder we are going to need bigger stronger faster and smarter players than Barts - and ones who can kick

Given his limitations he has done very well to chalk up over 50 AFL games

Just about sums it up .......though you could have thrown in that he's not a particularly good decision maker either

To climb the ladder we are going to need bigger stronger faster and smarter players than Barts - and ones who can kick

Given his limitations he has done very well to chalk up over 50 AFL games

I was talking about Cheney.

In comparison, Bartram's quicker and can play as a tagger.

I was talking about Cheney.

In comparison, Bartram's quicker and can play as a tagger.

Oops ... ,"Sorry about that, Chief"!!

I'm not convinced about Cheney either - but at 19 he has a bigger body - and a greater capacity to improve than Barts ( and I think he is showing signs of being a good decision maker>

Clint is still in Bali, so treat as a rumor at this stage.

I personally feel Clint has been shafted by the club. Was told last year after his top ten placing at the B&F that he would recieve a two year contract, with details to be worked out 'soon'. Nealry twelve months later, was offered a one year contract, along with a substantial pay cut. Thats right, a club finding it hard to meet the minimum salary cap was seeking players to take reduced pay.

Clint struggled this year after the death of his father, something noone can just easily adapt to. And the club let him down. He was told to play 'one or two' games at Casey to get his mind right, and then straight back into the team. That one or two quickly became six. He was dropped for a few of the last games purely because 'Connelly doesn't want him to play'.

A number of clubs came asking about him come end of season, and the club made the decision not to trade him. He said he wanted to go, and they refused to do a deal.

He'll get a gig somewhere else, no doubt. If he is played as a true tagger, something Bailey has refused to do all year, he will be a valuable player to a side.

hey erns just wanted to give u snaps on ur recent post.. too right mate!!

Clint has been given a rough go the past year. i feel sorry for the poor bloke.

Hes too good for melborne, may i remind everyone- they finished bottom this year.

Ill meet you at Seasame Street for a few brewskies one time soon mate k?

ps info spot on hats off ern on the tip offs. this guy is GOLD!! Where do u get your sources, any more goss on big name dees?

big berty ruckles over and out

In the life of a clubs supporter, it's easy to get connected to your clubs players.

I'm sadden to here of the delisting of buckley, and the possible delisting of Bartrum. Both players will become good elsewhere, if picked up.

I understand that space is needed to be made on the list.

But there are players on that list, that i personally would have moved before them.

In the life of a clubs supporter, it's easy to get connected to your clubs players.

I'm sadden to here of the delisting of buckley, and the possible delisting of Bartrum. Both players will become good elsewhere, if picked up.

I understand that space is needed to be made on the list.

But there are players on that list, that i personally would have moved before them.

As in?

As in?

Guys like Bell, Newton and PJ are, to many, only saved by contracts. Cheney and McNamara are uncontracted and not everyone is a believer.

Guys like Bell, Newton and PJ are, to many, only saved by contracts. Cheney and McNamara are uncontracted and not everyone is a believer.

That makes Bell, Newton and PJ not worth mentioning.

I'd take Cheney and McNamara at this stage over an average tagger.

Guys like Bell, Newton and PJ are, to many, only saved by contracts. Cheney and McNamara are uncontracted and not everyone is a believer.

Likely that 2 of Bartram, Cheney or McNamara will be removed from the senior list.

As said before Bartram has the pace and desire, struggles with the poise and skills. Would be ok as an inside mid but doesnt have the build for it and lacks the polish to be an outside player.

I can see Bartram being delisted and Tmac being rookied.

Overheard at the B&F that Clint Bartram was told he is a required player, and that has been offered a one year contract extension. The reason it's taking so long is they are trying to make a two year deal.

Also heard that Spencer will stay a rookie.

So five empty spots = 1,2,11,18 and PSD1.

Overheard at the B&F that Clint Bartram was told he is a required player, and that has been offered a one year contract extension. The reason it's taking so long is they are trying to make a two year deal.

Also heard that Spencer will stay a rookie.

So five empty spots = 1,2,11,18 and PSD1.

Good result overall.

I'd rather have PSD1 than pick 34. Also, Spencer is not AFL standard yet.

I still feel that we would benefit more from having pick 34 than keeping people like Michael Newton and Paul Johnson etc. on the list but if we aren't going to get rid of one other (I know that Newton has a contract etc.) then so be it, 4 quality players and hopefully one other in the PSD is a good off-season result when it's all said and done.

Can't wait for these first four picks, Strauss and Blease to debut and Watts, Grimes, Jurrah, Morton, Jones, Frawley, Wonna and Bate to all keep improving. I can't see Barts getting many games to be honest unless we have injury problems.....

In the life of a clubs supporter, it's easy to get connected to your clubs players.

I'm sadden to here of the delisting of buckley, and the possible delisting of Bartrum. Both players will become good elsewhere, if picked up.

I understand that space is needed to be made on the list.

But there are players on that list, that i personally would have moved before them.

Buckley maybe. Bartram no chance for obvious reasons.

With Bell, PJ, Newton and Miller coming out of contract at the end of 2010, delistings should be an easy job for the FD next year.

Good result overall.

I'd rather have PSD1 than pick 34. Also, Spencer is not AFL standard yet.

Considering the club finished bottom I'de suggest its a bad result. I would have thought turning over as many players on the list that are fringe players or deemed not essential to the future success of the club would be the goal. If Bartram has been offered one year and he is asking for two, let him find a two year contract at another club. I really can't see any other club offering that to him.

McNamara & Cheney would be bigger losses than Bartram IMO. In any event it looks like the club will be using pick 34 as one of the three players look pretty certain to be delisted.

Buckley maybe. Bartram no chance for obvious reasons.

With Bell, PJ, Newton and Miller coming out of contract at the end of 2010, delistings should be an easy job for the FD next year.

Buckley is already gone mate.

Valenti and Buckley delisted

Jamar will be out of contract also.

Miller and Jamar re-sign

Buckley is already gone mate.

Valenti and Buckley delisted

Jamar will be out of contract also.

Miller and Jamar re-sign

Yes, I know.

If you see the post I quoted:

In the life of a clubs supporter, it's easy to get connected to your clubs players.

I'm sadden to here of the delisting of buckley, and the possible delisting of Bartrum. Both players will become good elsewhere, if picked up.

I understand that space is needed to be made on the list.

But there are players on that list, that i personally would have moved before them.

What I meant was if Buckley or Bartram were to be picked up by another club, I'd think Buckley has more chance of becoming a good player than Bartram does. Would you agree?

What I meant was if Buckley or Bartram were to be picked up by another club, I'd think Buckley has more chance of becoming a good player than Bartram does. Would you agree?

Buckley has more potential. Bartram is a better player now.

I'll be disappointed if we don't use pick 34

Buckley has more potential. Bartram is a better player now.

I'll be disappointed if we don't use pick 34

Hmm. I don't really agree. I'd take Buckley over Bartram any day.

I hope we use 34 too, but we won't.

Hmm. I don't really agree. I'd take Buckley over Bartram any day.

I hope we use 34 too, but we won't.

Agree - Buckley has twice the upside Bartram has

I'm getting concerned that we are not going to use Pick 34- and that Bartram is going to stay on the list. If Barts is in our top 22 in 2012, we won't be playing finals footy

Agree - Buckley has twice the upside Bartram has

I'm getting concerned that we are not going to use Pick 34- and that Bartram is going to stay on the list. If Barts is in our top 22 in 2012, we won't be playing finals footy

Neither Bartram nor Bucks use the ball well.

If anything Bartram does have some defensive and accountability skills which Bucks lacked in spades.

Neither Bartram nor Bucks use the ball well.

If anything Bartram does have some defensive and accountability skills which Bucks lacked in spades.

Agreed.

Bartram doesn't have the ability to run and carry the ball like Buckley does though. That was something I liked about him.

Agreed.

Bartram doesn't have the ability to run and carry the ball like Buckley does though. That was something I liked about him.

Yeah .. Buckley's ability to break the lines gave him an upside

Anyway, it's looking more and more like Bartram is going to stay. I hope that's because this really is a very thin draft!

Yes, I know.

If you see the post I quoted:

What I meant was if Buckley or Bartram were to be picked up by another club, I'd think Buckley has more chance of becoming a good player than Bartram does. Would you agree?

Sorry mate missed that, yeh I'de agree Buckley has a lot more upside than Bartram. Bartram probably can't get much better than the level he is currently playing at.

I remember a few games in the 08 season Buckley had 20 or so touches running through the midfield and off half back. At the time he didn't seem to be able to use the ball well enough consistently and often got caught in possession, in other words he was very raw. I guess the club has made a judgement on him that he is not going to improve anymore or he had decided to try his luck elsewhere?

Personally I thought he would have been worth giving another year to see if he had the ability to improve. If the club's axed him however, I'de back their judgement. They see the guy in training day in day out and have made some good calls on players that have already been let go in the last couple of years.

If Barts is in our top 22 in 2012, we won't be playing finals footy

Another big bold comment that lacks any thought process what so ever

Total rubbish!

Another big bold comment that lacks any thought process what so ever

Total rubbish!

Not so sure it is rubbish, [censored]. By 2012 we should have found 22 players who are better than Bartram. If we haven't, then we won't be very good, because Bartram isn't very good.

Hoopla is right.