One year extension for the coach

[rpfc 28,417]

I mentioned this a few times, most recently in the Knights thread.

I believe the compromise step, the prudent step, with regard to Dean Bailey's position is to give him a one year extension right now to give him a year and a half to get us back up the ladder.

If we go into next year as is, and reassess after Rd 11-15 we will have fired the coach or given him another three years based on 11-15 rounds of evidence.

That isn't how you run a successful footy club.

Let's hedge our bets and take the prudent step.

Give him 2011 right now.

[45HG 1,539]

If you're the one giving the sermon, I'm somewhere down the hill giving you a thumbs up

[CarnTheDees 52]

No.

Reassess next year, then offer another 2 years IF deemed satisfactory. We still are yet to see whether or not Bailey is a good coach. What we have seen is that he is a good list manager (but I think that 90% of DL'ers would have made the same LM decisions as him so far) and he is brilliant at manufacturing losses. Before we commit to him lets see if he's any good at manufacturing some wins.

[Ryan Dee 140]

I mentioned this a few times, most recently in the Knights thread.

I believe the compromise step, the prudent step, with regard to Dean Bailey's position is to give him a one year extension right now to give him a year and a half to get us back up the ladder.

If we go into next year as is, and reassess after Rd 11-15 we will have fired the coach or given him another three years based on 11-15 rounds of evidence.

That isn't how you run a successful footy club.

Let's hedge our bets and take the prudent step.

Give him 2011 right now.

From an OUTSIDERS view this would seem like the way to go. MFC are not stupid and they will do what is best for the club. If it is wait till next year rather then a contract extension then so be it.

[rpfc 28,417]

No.

Reassess next year, then offer another 2 years IF deemed satisfactory. We still are yet to see whether or not Bailey is a good coach. What we have seen is that he is a good list manager (but I think that 90% of DL'ers would have made the same LM decisions as him so far) and he is brilliant at manufacturing losses. Before we commit to him lets see if he's any good at manufacturing some wins.

How irresponsibe?!

You are going to give Bailey, who has yet to convince he can coach on matchdays, 5 years in charge on the eividence of half a season?!

OR

How irresponsible?!

You are going to sack a coach on the evidence of half a season with a difficult draw.

This is where you are going to end up, with one of these options, and it is not prudent.

[45HG 1,539]

The problem I've just encountered with this thinking is that it seems to rely too much on the club being pressured from the outside.

No one says we have to re-sign him midseason, nor is there anything that states we can't just give him one year at the end of next season.

[rpfc 28,417]

From an OUTSIDERS view this would seem like the way to go. MFC are not stupid and they will do what is best for the club. If it is wait till next year rather then a contract extension then so be it.

You're assuming that they will wait.

We will see...

[rpfc 28,417]

The problem I've just encountered with this thinking is that it seems to rely too much on the club being pressured from the outside.

No one says we have to re-sign him midseason, nor is there anything that states we can't just give him one year at the end of next season.

However, if we get a draw similar to this year and start badly then all bets are off and...

The 1 and 10 Demons have fired their coach just 30 months after he was brought in reinvigorate the list. Sean Wellman has been appointed caretaker for the remainder of the season.

- Sandy Roberts

As for the 1 year extension at the end of next season - talk about a lack of faith.

Dean, we gave you three years but we have great reservations on you and we will only offer a 1 year deal. We realise this shows the playing group that we have no faith in you but we've been hurt in the past, you know?

- Cameron Schwab

[45HG 1,539]

You're caring a lot about how the outside will view it it seems.

I'm sure at the end of next season the club will be able to put value to Bailey's worth and go from there. Why would we need to sack him at mid season? Media pressure, I couldn't give a rats.

I'm still for giving him a year extension now.

[rpfc 28,417]

You're caring a lot about how the outside will view it it seems.

I'm sure at the end of next season the club will be able to put value to Bailey's worth and go from there. Why would we need to sack him at mid season? Media pressure, I couldn't give a rats.

I'm still for giving him a year extension now.

More like the pressure from fans that are staring down the barrell of another Wooden Spoon.

That is where their head would be at if we started poorly next season.

There would be little push for a contract renewal and the club would explore its options, this would be the end for Bailey.

On half a year's evidence.

[45HG 1,539]

But why would we have to decide mid season?

[rpfc 28,417]

But why would we have to decide mid season?

We would not have to if we started well.

But, let's be honest, push comes to shove when you don't start well. The groundswell would be for removal.

And I'm pretty sure there is a mathematical equation (there are equations for everything) that measures the increased pressure on a decision as we get nearer to the expiry date on a contract. And another equation on the likelihood of a renewal the closer we get to the expiry date.

As I said, you don't have to renew mid-year, but the lack of faith in the coach would be evident and plain to see. I can't measure the effect that would have on the playing group, maybe it would be a plus, but I know it would an unwelcome distraction. Especially considering the Bring Back Garry Brigade.

[45HG 1,539]

I think they've labelled themselves the "Bring Back Gary Brigade."

All said and done, I'd give him an extra year now just to take any pressure off.

[CarnTheDees 52]

How irresponsibe?!

You are going to give Bailey, who has yet to convince he can coach on matchdays, 5 years in charge on the eividence of half a season?! As opposed to 4 years in charge with zero evidence?

OR

How irresponsible?!

You are going to sack a coach on the evidence of half a season with a difficult draw. You clearly underrate the people who make the decisions on coaches' contracts. His contract extension would obviously consider things like the draw, injuries etc... I never impled it would be purely results focussed, you are inferring things for the sake of your own argument.

This is where you are going to end up, with one of these options, and it is not prudent. Much more prudent than an extension based on zero evidence to date.

[flog 20]

I think they've labelled themselves the "Bring Back Gary Brigade."

All said and done, I'd give him an extra year now just to take any pressure off.

whats wrong with a bit of pressure? Not sure why he would be judged on 11 to 15 games of football come mid next year, he has coached for two years already (rpfc)

[Weedster 174]

No.

Reassess next year, then offer another 2 years IF deemed satisfactory. We still are yet to see whether or not Bailey is a good coach. What we have seen is that he is a good list manager (but I think that 90% of DL'ers would have made the same LM decisions as him so far) and he is brilliant at manufacturing losses. Before we commit to him lets see if he's any good at manufacturing some wins.

Well said - you don't get contract extensions on the back of 2 spoons - regardless of the circumstances :angry:

[Pello 1]

We don't know if he can coach as yet! He hasn't been judged on the past 2 years performances. But no more free hits next year. If there is not a reasonable amount of improvement next year (say 7 wins) then you have to ask - should he coach on?

[Rogue 585]

If we make a premature decision now because we fear pressue mid-way through next season we need a change of management.

At the end of the year we'll have seen Bailey's work for three years. If there are signs he's the man then it'll be time for a two-year deal.

rpfc, I'm not sure why you've posed the situation as one year now or three years in a year.

[Guest melbman]

IMO we aren't in for a stellar year next year which is why DB got the extra year this year, stop the speculation

not to say we can't have an ok to good year though, it's just that it may not be likely in the eyes of the club

[Rogue 585]

IMO we aren't in for a stellar year next year which is why DB got the extra year this year, stop the speculation

not to say we can't have an ok to good year though, it's just that it may not be likely in the eyes of the club

I don't think we'll perform particularly well but win/loss is hardly the only way to judge a Coach and another year will give us a much more informed decision.

[old55 23,571]

If we make a premature decision now because we fear pressue mid-way through next season we need a change of management.

At the end of the year we'll have seen Bailey's work for three years. If there are signs he's the man then it'll be time for a two-year deal.

rpfc, I'm not sure why you've posed the situation as one year now or three years in a year.

I'm with rpfc a 1 year extension now.

Otherwise Bailey must coach for wins at the expense of all else from R1 next year.

[Weedster 174]

I'm with rpfc a 1 year extension now.

Otherwise Bailey must coach for wins at the expense of all else from R1 next year.

Bailey must coach for wins - what a novel thought ! :angry:

[Rogue 585]

Otherwise Bailey must coach for wins at the expense of all else from R1 next year.

One doesn't follow from the other.

First, this assumes that Bailey would disregard the plan he and others have put in place. I feel this is possible but not probable. If Bailey went down this path I think he's the wrong man for the job.

Second, this assumes that it would be in Bailey's self-interest to deviate from the plan. I don't believe he will or would only be judged on wins and losses. In fact, I contend that selfish coaching would not help but hamper his chances of a contract extension. If selfish coaching would assist his contract extension chances then we need new management.

That said, it's not like Bailey could dispense with the youth policy in any significant way - the only older players we have are likely to be best 22 (McDonald's our captain, Bruce and Green are still playing decent footy).

[rpfc 28,417]

Bailey must coach for wins - what a novel thought ! :angry:

Very droll.

Playing Miller - looking for wins.

Playing Watts - looking for a flag at the expense of wins.

I know where I want Bailey's head to be...

[tarzan16 40]

Not yet, he has done SOME good things with the list, but we need to see some wins, if he can manafacture a team with a playing style(i still don't know ours!) that can get at least 8 wins on the board next season then yes, give him a few more years. now is the time that we make a move and show that we are far too good to be last.