Departures and re-signings

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

I noted in todays Herald Hun, that the vox pop, asking the non participating coaches for their tips as to who they think will win the GF. Dean Bailey is listed as being "overseas".

With the departure of Brock, is it just coincidence that this occurred while DB was away?

Also, I have heard a whisper from a reliable source, that Flash has re-signed with the Dees. If this is true, I hope the club announces it soon. This will dampen the embers of Brock's departure. Let's hope we hear something soon from the club on this one.

[e25 5]

I noted in todays Herald Hun, that the vox pop, asking the non participating coaches for their tips as to who they think will win the GF. Dean Bailey is listed as being "overseas".

With the departure of Brock, is it just coincidence that this occurred while DB was away?

Also, I have heard a whisper from a reliable source, that Flash has re-signed with the Dees. If this is true, I hope the club announces it soon. This will dampen the embers of Brock's departure. Let's hope we hear something soon from the club on this one.

Its hardly a coincidence that Bailey goes away on holiday after the conclusion of the season when the players are also away.

And its not a coincidence that trade week and the draft occur shortly after the completion of the finals, when he & the players are likely to be away.

But i think its a stretch to suggest the club has somehow made designs for Bailey to be overseas during this episode, for whatever reasons you may be alluding to...

The trading and list management strategies would've been formed throughout the course of this season and previous to this, in consultation with him.

None of these decisions are made on a whim.

And finally, these decisions, whilst Bailey has some input, are not his to make.

I'm sure there would've been a few international phone calls, but in the end this is down to Tim Harrington doing what he is paid to do.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Sorry for asking the question on a forum. I am not suggesting this was done by design, by the club. It was more a question about Brock's timing of the announcement. My understanding is that the expectation of the club last Monday was that he was coming in to sign the contract. They were shocked at what he (or should I say his manager) actually told them.

What about Flash?

Edited September 25, 2009 by iv'a worn smith

[Dannyz 2,739]

This is why Tim Harrington has been handling all media work.

[e25 5]

Sorry for asking the question on a forum. I am not suggesting this was done by design, by the club. It was more a question about Brock's timing of the announcement. My understanding is that the expectation of the club last Monday was that he was coming in to sign the contract. They were shocked at what he (or should I say his manager) actually told them.

What about Flash?

Why are you sorry?

Just giving my reasons for why I think there are no designs on any of this.

Did Brock have a choice in the timing of the announcement? The decision of when to announce it involved the club too.

I don't think there's much in this at all.

[1964nowMORE 489]

Have heard Flash re-signed for one year.

[Old Gregg 1]

Have heard Flash re-signed for one year.

Surely not true....it would have been two years at the minimum, if not three or four.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Why are you sorry?

Just giving my reasons for why I think there are no designs on any of this.

Did Brock have a choice in the timing of the announcement? The decision of when to announce it involved the club too.

I don't think there's much in this at all.

It may just say something about the nature of the relationship the player concerned had with the coach. At the end of the day, it is the Coach that carries the can for morale of his players.

Like I said, my mail is the club had the expectation that Brock was coming to the meeting to sign a contract and were shocked at what transpired

[Hangtime Jurrah 0]

The Australian said he agreed to a 3 year deal.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story...5012432,00.html

The Demons ended a dispute over the length of an initial contract offer to Davey, who was coming out of contract next month, by agreeing to a new three-year deal. Melbourne had previously offered Davey a two-year contract, which was unacceptable to the player.

[e25 5]

It may just say something about the nature of the relationship the player concerned had with the coach. At the end of the day, it is the Coach that carries the can for morale of his players.

Like I said, my mail is the club had the expectation that Brock was coming to the meeting to sign a contract and were shocked at what transpired

Oh yeah, I understand. I took that as read anyway. Its been put forward a few times already that Brock was unhappy with Bailey and is a factor for him leaving.

I honestly think Bailey has been coaching the team to develop and to be assessed this season, rather than purely coaching to win.

Or at least, winning was not the highest priority, even if it was one.

I agree with this.

But I guess, it never occurred to me that this might not sit well with some of the players.

I can understand Brock not being happy with a negating role or being played in positions he felt uncomfortable, but i think this has also shown me a side of him I didn't realise was there.

I thought he'd be happy to fill whatever role was asked of him by the coach. Obviously not.

I can understand frustration if he was having no succes in a foreign role, but I guess I would've also expected him to be able to accomplish the task set for him.

I think it has just highlighted deficiencies in his game and made it easier to let go.

Even Ross Lyon & Mark Thompson would have some players that would find it hard to like them.

Its the nature of being a coach. I'm not worried in the slightest.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

The main thing is that Flash has re-signed now. Great news!!! Let's concentrate on that.

[Hannabal 4]

I'm not saying that it never happens and usually it's the go home factor when it does, but coaches very rarely lose players they want to keep.

[beelzebub 23,348]

I'm not saying that it never happens and usually it's the go home factor when it does, but coaches very rarely lose players they want to keep.

I tend to agree...if Bails has a wiff and was determiend to retain Brocks services then he'd be here. Obviously it wasnt all as happy camping at the Junction Oval as we may have thought..lol.

Someone in that midfield had to go.. Brock drew that straw

[rpfc 28,383]

I'm not saying that it never happens and usually it's the go home factor when it does, but coaches very rarely lose players they want to keep.

Exactly.

The 'honesty session' (where Bailey said McLean would play a periphery role), the salary decrease, and the quickness of the deal being done with Carlton, all lead to the conclusion that the MFC were exploring their options with regard to retaining McLean.

[Nasher 33,613]

Exactly.

The 'honesty session' (where Bailey said McLean would play a periphery role), the salary decrease, and the quickness of the deal being done with Carlton, all lead to the conclusion that the MFC were exploring their options with regard to retaining McLean.

Agree, the deal happened far too quickly for it not to have been considered. Brock wanting out may have come as a surprise, but it was a surprise that had been planned for, if that makes sense. Responsible list management at its best.

[beelzebub 23,348]

I for one am immensely impressed and comforted to know that the club is not only proactive with respect to its destiny but that we no longer see our selves as poor reactionaries.

Playing off the front foot... well done chaps !!

[maximum bob 462]

"Someone in that midfield had to go.. Brock drew that straw."

We got Moloney, same straw Geelong sucked.

[Adzman 2,154]

Nice to read Flash is back for 3 more.

To be honest, Burgoyne still lurks as an unlikely freebie that could erase the memory of Brock's departure.