After todays match whats your thoughts on the changes vs roos

there should be some good ins

in: morton, mclean, wheatley, moloney, sylvia

out: spencer, whelan, jetta, valenti, newton

Mortons flu like symptoms may keep a few of those guys out next week. They cant risk a win with Freeo the week after.

After todays match whats your thoughts on the changes vs roos

there should be some good ins

in: morton, mclean, wheatley, moloney, sylvia

out: spencer, whelan, jetta, valenti, newton

We can beat North and ruin it all.

Newton is the greatest tanking weapon currently at our disposal (PJ a close second).

Also Spencer played really well in the ruck today. He has a good future ahead of him, even though he is an awkward looking gigantisorous.

Depending on injuries, Martin, Bennell, Whelan and Rivers may miss. If we're serious about picks 1 & 2, Grimes and Davey should take a hike.

Not sure how long we can keep Sylvia out of the side, and Morton is likely to get over whatever made up flu kept him out today. Also if Watts is fit, I'd like to see him get a few more matches before the end of the year.

But whichever way you look at it, today's team cannot possibly be made worse for next week, and that makes me nervous. Gotta hold on for just one more week!

Jack Grimes is too good for this league.

He should surely be dropped.

It has begun!

Barring injuries, why not just leave the team unchanged and employ the same tactics next week as we did today?

Mind you, I think North will beat us even if we try to win, so with that in mind, I'd like to see the following:

In: Sylvia, Moloney

Out: Johnson, Newton

I agree with Jaded, but take some heart in the fact that North are a considerably better side than Richmond, and us too for that matter. I'm still nervous, though.

I would like to see Watts come in, and I'd like him played all over the ground. I'd be keen to see this even if we werent tanking, but considering we are, it should be a no-brainer; it'll be a good learning experience for him and he won't have any huge influence on the game. Maybe they could rest a guy like Bate or Jones in order to make way for him. We probably can't justify keeping Sylvia out any longer, so bring him in and don't take him out of the backline unless and until we are no chance of winning the game.

I'm almost tempted to suggest we drop Grimes, but I'd hate to see us lose the plot and curb the developement of younger players in our effort to lose. The more games we can get into guys like Grimes and Jurrah, the better- its a good problem to have actually; playing the kids with a view to getting a PP, but being worried that one or two of them might be so good that they'll win a game off their own boot.

Out : 4 points

In: Tom Scully

*Applies for the remaining rounds.*

I'm almost tempted to suggest we drop Grimes, but I'd hate to see us lose the plot and curb the developement of younger players in our effort to lose. The more games we can get into guys like Grimes and Jurrah, the better- its a good problem to have actually; playing the kids with a view to getting a PP, but being worried that one or two of them might be so good that they'll win a game off their own boot.

I hope Cheney doesn't get dropped. I thought he was pretty good today. I certainly want to see our youngsters getting game time over the next 5 weeks. We have to do something productive in these 5 weeks, rather than just working out how to lose.

Bennell did a medial ligament, Martin injure his calf in the 2nd qtr and took no further part, Whelan injured his foot and Rivers also limped off at the end of the game. So all these players are possible. So most likely there will be no omitted players out of this clash even though newton was horrible.

Ins: Buckley, Sylvia, Morton, Hughes

Outs: Bennell (Knee), Martin (Calf), Whelan (foot) Rivers?

Bennell did a medial ligament, Martin injure his calf in the 2nd qtr and took no further part, Whelan injured his foot and rivers also limped off at the end of the game. So all these players are possible. So most likely there will be no omitted players out of this clash even though newton was horrible.

Ins: Buckley, Sylvia, Morton

Outs: Bennell (Knee), Martin (Calf), Whelan (foot)

Crap, I hope Bennell's isn't serious. Pity about Martin too. And wasn't today Whelan's 149th game? That would be very sad if he couldn't get to 150.

If anybody deserves a milestone game, it is Whelan.

Watts for Newton (unfortunately the only positive for him was his stats). This only proves that if you run around in circles long enough the ball wiil eventually come to you.

Otherwise Sylvia for Bennell assuming he is injured,

Hughes for PJ or Spence if he is injured.

Didnt see todays game Titan, but definitely agree with the gist of what you're saying re: Cheney and others. The first two picks are fantastic, but the main priority always has to be developing the list.

I felt really conflicted when we beat Port Adelaide, for exactly this sort of reason. We played the kids with a view to fast-tracking their developement and getting the first two picks, but when the kids come on better than expected and you end up winning (and jeopardising the picks), how are you sposed to feel?

Didnt see todays game Titan, but definitely agree with the gist of what you're saying re: Cheney and others. The first two picks are fantastic, but the main priority always has to be developing the list.

I felt really conflicted when we beat Port Adelaide, for exactly this sort of reason. We played the kids with a view to fast-tracking their developement and getting the first two picks, but when the kids come on better than expected and you end up winning (and jeopardising the picks), how are you sposed to feel?

First of all, you didn't miss much in terms of quality. In fact you missed nothing.

I want us to get the PP because that gives us the best chance at getting the best kids available, which in turn gives us the best chance at a premiership. However, I also want us to put significant time into Grimes, Cheney, Bennell, Jetta, Spencer, maybe also Watts and McNamara, in order for those guys to be even better next year, when winning 8-10 games is a must. But, as we saw today, if there is a danger that we might win, Bailey will be happy to change things up to ensure we don't. Frawley's a good example of that. He's a pretty good chance to win Most Improved 2009, but he was shifted forward today.

In - Sylvia, Morton, Hughes, McKenzie, Buckley

Out -

Bruce (2 years overdue for a run at Casey )

Davey (too good a player, and needs a rest)

Bennell, Martin, Whelan (inj)

i think Crocker will be desperate for his first win as coach, so i think we can afford to bring Mclean, Sylvia and Morton in.

I thought Davey looked tired today so drop him.

Grimes has a sore back again, need to take extra care of that

Bruce is due for is rotation in the grandstand

I saw a fairly clumsy tackle from Flash in front of the interchange bench, I would not be surprised if it went to the tribunal, he has also been reported for wrestling in the first quarter

there should have been more from players trying to get themselves suspended.

go punching people. appeal. lose. get max weeks.

no one can argue we are tanking then.

not to mention the satisfaction i would have had from seeing miller smash cousins in the nose

every chance Davey will be outed for two anyways...( hopefully ) that bump may attract more than a reprimand with any luck.

McKenzie should come back in if fit. Good replacement for Benell, Sylvia has to come in too. Out Newton or PJ?

In - Sylvia, Morton, Hughes, McKenzie, Buckley

Out -

Bruce (2 years overdue for a run at Casey )

Davey (too good a player, and needs a rest)

Bennell, Martin, Whelan (inj)

Look at that, even Y_M agrees Bruce may threaten our PP against the Roos.

Either Bruce played an 'inspired' game...or he just played normally...either way...keep him in

IN: SYLVIA, MORTON

OUT: BENNELL, MARTIN

No need to risk injury prone players like Moloney, McLean and Wheatley. Whelan played the last minutes so hopefully he will be fine to play his 150th if not replace him with Buckley.

Does anybody know where Jurrah, McLean, Moloney and Watts are at? How likely are they to return? Also Buckley.

Sylvia and Morton definitely back in.

I think it will be another week of weird and wonderful selections when they come out thursday night, and then the following week could be 6, 7 maybe 8 huge ins for us and we destroy freo and then back to the "list management"

good to see the roos have an extra 2 days to recover/prepare for this game have played friday night. Should help them. Still a real danger game, despite being competitive they havnt won for a long while....