Good decision. I'm also thinking this game should not be our greatest losing challenge to year end, given Rawlings desire. Still not sure if we can meet every disturbing West Coast Eagles challenge. They're proven experts at this caper over the last 2 years.

North Melb could be the greatest challenge. Richmond have form, North do not.

Looks like two changes. Frawley and Grimes in for Jurrah and McKenzie.

Again, I have no doubt where your heart [and mine actually] lie.We just have different views as to the best method for the club to progress. Incidentally one other thing said last night, is that next year MFC will have the youngest list in the AFL.Read what you like into that, but it was said several times.

One other thing--has MFC repeatedly won dead rubbers at seasons end? Your memory may be better than mine, but I don't think so. In fact, to the contrary, so bad has morale been much of the time, that once we're out of finals calculations, we've been hopeless--lost a whole string of games to end the season. I recall that happening several times since 1987, when we became a force again after 23 years of no finals. 2007 is often mentioned, but we hardly finished off the season in a blaze of glory. Last year we finished with a bunch of huge losses which must affect players' beliefs at the start of the next season.

Yes Agreed, we have finished many seasons off Badly, i was talking more Generally of just the odd win here & there that seems to satisfy many people.

I don't like losing either, but i will put one thing to you...that is...Would you prefer to see the best young talent in this years Draft get picked up by West Coast (Who have been in 2 Grand Finals & a Preliminary in the past 4 years) because we won a couple of dead rubbers. Or would you prefer to take a little more Pain & see them in A Demon Jumper next year?

That is my whole point. I was totally in your camp until i read up on next years Draft Concessions to the GC17.

We must Load up on Young Talent in order to give ourselves a fighting chance within the next 4-5 years.

I Love our Song Donny. I want to Sing it in a Full MCG in september...

Sylvia is playing for Casey this week.

Absolute disgrace if true, and unfair on Colin who has turned his career around.

Absolute disgrace if true, and unfair on Colin who has turned his career around.

A week at Casey won't do colin any harm. Infact it should make him more hungry to play well in the seniors.

He Got Caught wacking someone, has missed 4 weeks so he should get a VFL run first off.

Hopefully he won't wack anyone next year, as he will remember the consequences.

Absolute disgrace if true, and unfair on Colin who has turned his career around.

Yes Agreed, we have finished many seasons off Badly, i was talking more Generally of just the odd win here & there that seems to satisfy many people.

I don't like losing either, but i will put one thing to you...that is...Would you prefer to see the best young talent in this years Draft get picked up by West Coast (Who have been in 2 Grand Finals & a Preliminary in the past 4 years) because we won a couple of dead rubbers. Or would you prefer to take a little more Pain & see them in A Demon Jumper next year?

That is my whole point. I was totally in your camp until i read up on next years Draft Concessions to the GC17.

We must Load up on Young Talent in order to give ourselves a fighting chance within the next 4-5 years.

I Love our Song Donny. I want to Sing it in a Full MCG in september...

yeah, fair enough mate I don't hold anything against you!. In fact I'm finding that some of my best friends are tankers.

and here all along I was thinking ...

Sylvia is playing for Casey this week.

Good move if true. He has to stop the undisiplined things he does. Hopefully another kick in the guts will finally stop his stupidity.

Glad that Grimes' injury is not serious and that he is back in the team... but on the other hand, how the hell do we plan to lose with that backline?!

Bench will probably be: Whelan, Moloney, Morton and Sylvia

Bench should be: Spencer, Whelan, Valenti and Jetta

This is going to be one ugly game!

Good point but to win a game you also need to kick goals and with Miller up forward it aint going to happen.

and here all along I was thinking ...

Yeah, who cares about Tom.

I want Dana...

She can de-bunk my work any day of the week...

(And, no. That wasn't dirty. Avid watchers would know the joke.)

(It was a little dirty...)

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Mate--I want to see them win every game they can. At a club function last night one said to me 'losing is infectious and it's not easy to get rid of the infection" Great for membership and the club generally if we finish on a high.

If losing is an infection we must be on death's door - this weekend will see our 51st loss since 2007.

Pretty sad when Colin gets sent back to Casey, but Bruce continues to get senior games.

Disgraceful.

and here all along I was thinking ...

My,she's a good lookin' boy. Another Ranga.

Pretty sad when Colin gets sent back to Casey, but Bruce continues to get senior games.

:rolleyes:Disgraceful.

its called list management vagrant,

No, I wasn't suggesting for one moment that you, or anybody else on this site, believes the players should tank whilst on the field [although a 'supporter' at the function I attended last night thinks they should and did last Sunday].

That supporter is an idiot. Player's don't tank.

I was merely referring to the criticism heaped upon Newton and Miller generally on this site, which I find depressing.

Miller is a hardworking player who puts in an enormous amount of work on the ground and off it but has badly lost confidence and form. He has teased us numerous times and I can understand the frustrations of the fans.

Newton may have turned the corner, I don't know, but we won't find out in these last few games where he will have some good games, some bad games, and some middling games. We will find it out next February when he comes back from summer training with a body that a dedicated KPF should have. If he has defined arms, and shoulders that are wider than his waist than he really has put the effort in that he hasn't in the past. And he deserves no free rides from the fans.

BTW I think you'll find that Bailey plays people where they should be best played with a view to winning--Did you see much evidence to the contrary last Sunday?

Morton is a fine young player, but to play him on Adam Goodes was a surprise and a risk. It pays off even if Goodes gets 35 touches and 3 goals but Morton showed Bailey something that he hadn't seen before. McKenzie and Valenti ran with with McVeigh for a lot of the game - a teachable moment for both on one of the hardest working and underrated mids in the game. Miller started as a floating wingman-type that got a few kicks in the backline but looked lost across the middle. No-one was told to curtail the run of Mattner. Our best tagger - Clint Batram went ball hunting.

There were plenty of positional experiments and why shouldn't Bailey employ them? He has got to build different aspects of his player's games. And you do that by challenging them to things they aren't used to doing.

One other matter. At this function last night a [very] senior official told us that he thought almost the best thing going for the club at present was the morale of the playing group. In his view it was CRITICAL that this should not be interfered with. Make what you will about this comment, but all who heard it thought it was significant.

I beleive this to be PR if this official was in the Footy Dept., and if he wasn't in the FD - he wouldn't know anyway. Unless you have a good mate in the FD who trusts you enough to let his guard down and tell you the truth. We really don't know. My belief is that Bailey can see what is on offer to be 4 and 18 instead of 5 and 17 and he will try, and I stress try, to engineer or ensure losses in the next two games.

Then they can go hell for leather as Freo is an easybeat, and Carlton and St Kilda will be too strong for us at our very best.

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A week at Casey won't do colin any harm. Infact it should make him more hungry to play well in the seniors.

He Got Caught wacking someone, has missed 4 weeks so he should get a VFL run first off.

Hopefully he won't wack anyone next year, as he will remember the consequences.

A week at Casey, even if it's @ Geelong, & even moreso with the early bird start.

Mate--I want to see them win every game they can. At a club function last night one said to me 'losing is infectious and it's not easy to get rid of the infection" Great for membership and the club generally if we finish on a high.

You're living in fantasy land. You seriously think that if we beat Richmond we will suddenly get a winning culture? Getting more good players to the club creates a winning culture not beating a club that isn't a lot better than us.

I couldn't think of a worse thing for creating members than blowing our chances to recruit the best young kid in the county. It's one of the very few things we have had to look forward to all year.

its called list management vagrant,

Ummm, no its not.

Colin is our best midfielder by a mile.

Either he plays seniors, or he doesn't play at all.

Now we cant say anything about Worsfolds use of Kerr, Cox, Wirrpunda etc.. as we are doing it ourselves.

Now we cant say anything about Worsfolds use of Kerr, Cox, Wirrpunda etc.. as we are doing it ourselves.

Who is saying anything about West Coast?

They're doing exactly what they need to just like us.

Good ol' Donny is in a no lose situation, he either gets his precious wins against perennial losers or he gets Tom Scully - what a happy life!!!

For the rest of us - nervous days ...

Who is saying anything about West Coast?

They're doing exactly what they need to just like us.

Good ol' Donny is in a no lose situation, he either gets his precious wins against perennial losers or he gets Tom Scully - what a happy life!!!

For the rest of us - nervous days ...

em, exactly, your spot on, but somebody has to be willing to do the dirty work, or no ship will ever sail.

Colin is our best midfielder by a mile.

Either he plays seniors, or he doesn't play at all.

Now we cant say anything about Worsfolds use of Kerr, Cox, Wirrpunda etc.. as we are doing it ourselves.

Nor can anyone continue to use the term 'Carltank'.

As for Sylvia, well, I'd prefer to see him playing. I don't think it will make too much of a difference anyway.

Ummm, no its not.

Colin is our best midfielder by a mile.

Either he plays seniors, or he doesn't play at all.

Now we cant say anything about Worsfolds use of Kerr, Cox, Wirrpunda etc.. as we are doing it ourselves.

sylvia hasnt earned the rite to play seniors or not at all, are you some kind of dimwit, hes strung togother a few good games,and we he does play well hes a gun,but hes far from elite, players like flower dont play reserves.

sylvia hasnt earned the rite to play seniors or not at all, are you some kind of dimwit, hes strung togother a few good games,and we he does play well hes a gun,but hes far from elite, players like flower dont play reserves.

You are the dumbest person on this board, and thats saying something.