I know exactly what you're saying, but when you don't win the ball you wear the consequences. He had to take the ball and didn't. He'll learn from what was clearly a mistake.

Correct. Next time he won't squib it when he is confronted by a similar situation.

Edited July 29, 200916 yr by High Tower

its the stigma of the melb footy club, we've never been known as a tough club and these blokes arn't shown real aggression from the older guys. perfect example when we played geelong miller had the perfect chance to run through selwood but didn't, selwood took the mark and miller didn't even make contact. we need to pick up players with real toughness in them.

Question. Name melb most feared player. Arrrrh i'll get back to you.

Then again the last time Miller did that he nearly killed someone (Lonergan) so maybe that plays on your mind wouldnt you think?

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its the stigma of the melb footy club, we've never been known as a tough club and these blokes arn't shown real aggression from the older guys. perfect example when we played geelong miller had the perfect chance to run through selwood but didn't, selwood took the mark and miller didn't even make contact. we need to pick up players with real toughness in them.

Question. Name melb most feared player. Arrrrh i'll get back to you.

I wouldn't say its tough barreling into a guy taking a mark from behind.

Players have to be very careful doing this now anyway 1/2 a second too late and they will get a lengthy holiday. Which Miller really can't afford atm.

What?!

No he isn't.

Back to the end of the queue, DJL.

watch the games hes played.... there has been atleast 4 times where he has demonstrated "softness"

that being said yes he has laid a few good tackles

if u want me to watch all the games this year i will, and tell u when the incidents occured

2 in one game stand out where the contested ball was there to be won and he bumped both times instead of going for the ball or a hard tackle

soft is a very very overused word on this forum

Edited July 30, 200916 yr by DaveyJones'sLocker

watch the games hes played.... there has been atleast 4 times where he has demonstrated "softness"

that being said yes he has laid a few good tackles

if u want me to watch all the games this year i will, and tell u when the incidents occured

2 in one game stand out where the contested ball was there to be won and he bumped both times instead of going for the ball or a hard tackle

soft is a very very overused word on this forum

It sure is.

And, yes, go and find these 'incidents' where a first year player didn't show complete comittment.

It'll be groundbreaking...

The kid is doing fine. He's courageous and he has impressed a lot of people.

I wouldn't say its tough barreling into a guy taking a mark from behind.

Players have to be very careful doing this now anyway 1/2 a second too late and they will get a lengthy holiday. Which Miller really can't afford atm.

watch the footage, he wasn't comming from behind, he backed out of the contest.

Jesus, is it any wonder?

Look who the kid's senior role models at the club are - Cameron Bruce and Russell Robertson.

Says it all really.

Short answer to your question: No.

Long answer: He rightly decided that taking the contact was only going to result in another stoppage (which is Sydney's strength) and tried to take the ball and slip past the opponent. Had the ball not taken an off break he would have pulled it off and we'd all be singing his praises. Yes, he would have been better off keeping over the ball until he was sure it was in his hands, but that's a problem most of our list is having these days. Personally I'm thrilled to see a first year player with so much promise in our side.

It sure is.

And, yes, go and find these 'incidents' where a first year player didn't show complete comittment.

It'll be groundbreaking...

The kid is doing fine. He's courageous and he has impressed a lot of people.

we are not debating if its "groundbreaking" or not... i made a statement i dont care if the player is first year or 5th

im not usually a player basher, but ive been far from impressed by jetta this year especially his kicking on goal and his committment to contests

we are not debating if its "groundbreaking" or not... i made a statement i dont care if the player is first year or 5th

im not usually a player basher, but ive been far from impressed by jetta this year especially his kicking on goal and his committment to contests

His kicking for goal obviously needs work, but I definitely think you're talking out of your backside with the commitment to contests.

Jetta's rough around the edges and is fairly slow for his size, but he shows promise and a big part of the reason why is because he's so hard at it. Yes he's missing shots on goal, but the fact that he's getting shots should tell you something.

Besides, it's hardly surprising that a kid taken in the 50s, and in his first year of footy, has some flaws. I reckon he deserves a lot more slack than you're currently cutting him.

1st quarter.

Thanks mate.

we are not debating if its "groundbreaking" or not... i made a statement i dont care if the player is first year or 5th

im not usually a player basher, but ive been far from impressed by jetta this year especially his kicking on goal and his committment to contests

hes kicked 4 goals a couple of times for casey this year, hes played about 5 AFL games, maybe time to delist some of you people have no idea.

jetta is soft as butter

Your'e wrong. His defensive ability is the only thing he's got going for him. He's not very quick and for an aboriginal his skill level is horrible. He reminds me of Troy Cook.

Bennell will be a very good player. He just didn't do the percentage thing he tried to be a little bit too fancy and it didn't work. Davey does what he done a lot but it does look a lot worse when you do it in the backline.

we are not debating if its "groundbreaking" or not... i made a statement i dont care if the player is first year or 5th

im not usually a player basher, but ive been far from impressed by jetta this year especially his kicking on goal and his committment to contests

You may not care, but it matters.

And Jetta has had a fine debut season as a floating FP/HFF, and managed 14 assists (4th to Davey, Bate, and Sylvia) from only 33 Inside 50s.

As a reference - Nathan Jones has 12 assists from 57 Inside 50s.

He makes things happen with his 11 touches a game.

hes kicked 4 goals a couple of times for casey this year, hes played about 5 AFL games, maybe time to delist some of you people have no idea.

u have no idea mate... i am unimpressed with jetta compared to several other first year players i never said anthing about delisting.

how many times has micheal newton kicked 4 goals at casey/sandy?

You may not care, but it matters.

And Jetta has had a fine debut season as a floating FP/HFF, and managed 14 assists (4th to Davey, Bate, and Sylvia) from only 33 Inside 50s.

As a reference - Nathan Jones has 12 assists from 57 Inside 50s.

He makes things happen with his 11 touches a game.

his deubt season has been average

his kicking for goal is shocking and i stand by my statement of him being "soft"

also i think ull find he has 7 goal assists i hate this "assists" crap

i still give him a chance to get better .. relax

Edited July 31, 200916 yr by DaveyJones'sLocker

u have no idea mate... i am unimpressed with jetta compared to several other first year players i never said anthing about delisting.

how many times has micheal newton kicked 4 goals at casey/sandy?

his deubt season has been average

his kicking for goal is shocking and i stand by my statement of him being "soft"

also i think ull find he has 7 goal assists i hate this "assists" crap

i still give him a chance to get better .. relax

Phew.

There's a load off.

Thanks Dean...

u have no idea mate... i am unimpressed with jetta compared to several other first year players i never said anthing about delisting.

how many times has micheal newton kicked 4 goals at casey/sandy?

his deubt season has been average

his kicking for goal is shocking and i stand by my statement of him being "soft"

also i think ull find he has 7 goal assists i hate this "assists" crap

i still give him a chance to get better .. relax

hahahhahahaha the delicious irony of that statement... B)

hahahhahahaha the delicious irony of that statement... B)

that post has no buisness here it is not constructive!

GET A BLOODY LIFE!

all u get his hacks like enforcer on demonland with no opinion or input watsoever just little smart remarks

u have no idea mate... i am unimpressed with jetta compared to several other first year players i never said anthing about delisting.

how many times has micheal newton kicked 4 goals at casey/sandy?

his deubt season has been average

his kicking for goal is shocking and i stand by my statement of him being "soft"

also i think ull find he has 7 goal assists i hate this "assists" crap

i still give him a chance to get better .. relax

What makes you say Jetta is soft?

2 incidents stand out in my memory

when he twice in 1 game

bumped instead of tackling or tryin to win the contested ball ..

i dont have a problem with players being "soft" in general

but it just looked really bad and now maybe it has tarnished my opinion of him.

Just on Jetta, we know he can hit a bloke on the chest and also tackle, but there was one effort on the Southern Stand HFF against PA where he made about 3 tackles in a row, and kept on harassing and eventually affected the kick and PA turned it over.

Very impressive for a 1st year.

With Jetta and Wonna it makes it easier to keep Davey up the ground as he is desparately needed to kick the ball into the forward line.

On Bennell, he's got something about him but I wonder where he will be positioned over the next few years and where he will end up. I really think he should, from next year, do the set-up kick off half back instead of Morton and Grimes and try and ge those two in the middle more.

Eventually, Bennell could be a very capable wingman IMO.

You are not taught to anticipate the bounce of the ball and change directions.

You are taught to run in straight lines and put your head over the ball.

He squibbed it.

Most do at some stage early and learn from it, i like him and can see him as an Andrew McLeod type.

that post has no buisness here it is not constructive!

GET A BLOODY LIFE!

all u get his hacks like enforcer on demonland with no opinion or input watsoever just little smart remarks

Not constructive?

As opposed to your post above??

Get a life? What, you mean instead I should be spending my life bagging 18 yr old kids for not doing something you'd never do yourself?

You are the weak one.

Ok, i understand that you probably aren't smart enough to understand what I meant, so I'll spell it out for you:

- I said your comment was ironic

- Your comment was "u have no idea mate..."

- Irony is an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected. Similar to sarcasm or satire.

- Your comment was ironic because it is in fact you who has no idea.

- If you read the thread properly you would see I have made my position on this matter quite clear.

- In case your feeble brain has a hard time reading through the thread, I said "even Michael Voss shirked some contests as a young player." Something he himself has admitted.

- If it continues to occur then it will be a problem, but for now he is a kid learning the game and what is acceptable at AFL level.

2 incidents stand out in my memory

when he twice in 1 game

bumped instead of tackling or tryin to win the contested ball ..

i dont have a problem with players being "soft" in general

but it just looked really bad and now maybe it has tarnished my opinion of him.

Thats BS, that doesn't make a player soft. Jetta is not soft at all.