Bate - a major underachiever

Bell - lacks spacial awareness

Bruce - tried but failed

Cheney - kept at task

Davey - demands are overwhelming

Frawley - tough and focused

Green - a quiet game

Grimes - was taught lesson

Jamar - superb with tapouts

Johnson - some incomprehensible errors

Jones - constantly poor disposal

Maric - game to forget

McDonald - had few possessions

McLean - poor, getting worse

Moloney - was barely sighted

Morton - had no presence

Rivers - kept at task

Robertson - well past prime

Sylvia - oustanding allround game

Warnock - just a game

Watts - no Messiah today

Whelan - brave but loose

Grimes - was taught lesson

Don't follow the example of your senior team-mates?

Seriously, what was the lesson? I thought he was fantastic. His composure, hardness, skills and courage were impressive.

Grimes was great, as usual his disposal was great, He has about 3 marks from opposition kicks which is great.

Don't follow the example of your senior team-mates?

Seriously, what was the lesson? I thought he was fantastic. His composure, hardness, skills and courage were impressive.

Joeboy seems to hate Grimesy!

He was terrific again today. Seriously what more can you expect from a 5th gamer, than to beat his opponent, give us good drive out of the backline and put his body on the line? Terrific.

Thought McLean and Jones were a bit sloppy with their disposal in the wet, but both fought hard and won a fair bit of the ball in close.

Jamar and Sylvia the two really big standouts though.

Don't follow the example of your senior team-mates?

Seriously, what was the lesson? I thought he was fantastic. His composure, hardness, skills and courage were impressive.

I have no qualms with his attitude , ability , skills or looks ; my concern was that all of his opponents throughout the day kicked many goals on him .

Thus he was taught a lesson !

Joeboy seems to hate Grimesy!

He was terrific again today. Seriously what more can you expect from a 5th gamer, than to beat his opponent, give us good drive out of the backline and put his body on the line? Terrific.

Thought McLean and Jones were a bit sloppy with their disposal in the wet, but both fought hard and won a fair bit of the ball in close.

Jamar and Sylvia the two really big standouts though.

I am a big fan of Grimes but he was on Didak for large parts of todays game and was taught a lesson. Joeboy has it on the money.

I am a big fan of Grimes but he was on Didak for large parts of todays game and was taught a lesson. Joeboy has it on the money.

Hard to judge who plays on who half the time. I only saw him on Didak once or twice, but you might be right.

Still, I think that as a future midfielder, he is doing a terrific job playing on dangerous small forwards. He wasn't disgraced and fought admirably. His decision making and disposal is top notch, and his courage is exemplary.

Definitely would put him in the top half a dozen best players for us today (there weren't many!).

I went along with a Pies fan and he said at least one positive for the day was Grimes. Also a few people around me noticed Grimes played well.

Joe boy I have to seriously ask, has McLean ever played a good game in your book?

I think he was ok today in a awful side, I would not have said poor getting worse.

I really think you do not like him and will never say he played anything but poor.

Hard to judge who plays on who half the time. I only saw him on Didak once or twice, but you might be right.

Still, I think that as a future midfielder, he is doing a terrific job playing on dangerous small forwards. He wasn't disgraced and fought admirably. His decision making and disposal is top notch, and his courage is exemplary.

Definitely would put him in the top half a dozen best players for us today (there weren't many!).

Joeboy is right. Grimes was beaten by Didak today but his skill level and composure stand out like a beacon. He will be a very good player.

Joe boy I have to seriously ask, has McLean ever played a good game in your book?

I think he was ok today in a awful side, I would not have said poor getting worse.

I really think you do not like him and will never say he played anything but poor.

From memory I think he has only played 1 very good game this year , and in a team that is crying out for senior leaders this is inexcusable from one who is regarded as our incumbent captain .

I don't dislike him , I just think he's having a very poor season.

Don't follow the example of your senior team-mates?

Seriously, what was the lesson? I thought he was fantastic. His composure, hardness, skills and courage were impressive.

agree, reckon Grimey was one of our best

Bate - a major underachiever

Bell - courageous but lacks skills and decision making

Bruce - hit a target/take a mark

Cheney - kept at task

Davey - demands are overwhelming

Frawley - tough and focused

Green - a quiet game

Grimes - will be a gun

Johnson - never seen somebody miss so many targers

Jones - refused to look inboard. So frustrating

Maric - game to forget

McDonald - May sound harsh but has to go. Fumbled all day and cant kick anymore.

McLean - Slow and quiet

Moloney - was barely sighted

Morton - had no presence

Rivers - kept at task

Robertson - well past prime

Sylvia - oustanding allround game

Warnock - just a game

Watts - showed some poise, got open but people (Jones and McDonald in particular) refuses to lower eyes and hit targets. Would be very frustrated tonight

Whelan - brave but loose

Bate - a major underachiever

Bell - lacks spacial awareness

Bruce - tried but failed

Cheney - kept at task

Davey - demands are overwhelming

Frawley - tough and focused

Green - a quiet game

Grimes - was taught lesson

Jamar - superb with tapouts

Johnson - some incomprehensible errors

Jones - constantly poor disposal

Maric - game to forget

McDonald - had few possessions

McLean - poor, getting worse

Moloney - was barely sighted

Morton - had no presence

Rivers - kept at task

Robertson - well past prime

Sylvia - oustanding allround game

Warnock - just a game

Watts - no Messiah today

Whelan - brave but loose

Bate - Needs to make better decisions!!

Grimes - Skills and courage of a 50+ gamer

Sylvia - has found consistency

Watts - too much hype around his debut.

Whelan - Too brave for his own good

Robertson - Defensive game is much better

Johnson - Needs running players around him

Bruce - should kick goals form 35 out

Joe boy I have to seriously ask, has McLean ever played a good game in your book?

I think he was ok today in a awful side, I would not have said poor getting worse.

I really think you do not like him and will never say he played anything but poor.

ur kidding urself mate...

give it up

Bate – Improve below the knees

Bell – Learn the game plan

Bruce – kick more goals, you are capable

Cheney – continue to back yourself

Davey – don’t forget to go for goal

Frawley – run and kick longer

Green – be a captain for us

Grimes – developing into a leader

Jamar – our best ruck option

Johnson – mistakes by hand, use that raking left foot

Jones – gut-busting and developing

Maric – I heard you were good by foot

McDonald – time to pass the baton, but a great role model

McLean – get fit and get back to basics

Moloney – Your best is valuable

Morton – versatile and developing well

Rivers – needs other talls around him

Robertson – just a pinch-hitter now, not the man

Sylvia – has found belief and now in our top 3

Warnock – big-hearted spoiler

Watts – needs to go a lot harder than that

Whelan - brave but ageing

I thought Grimes possession count was a concern. It's usually a strength. He's obviously a keen rebounder, but he didn't get much of it. No reason to drop him or anything, but I think Joeboy has it right here.

ur kidding urself mate...

give it up

Give what up?

I'm not saying McLean played well but he was better than about 15 others out there, i would not have said he was poor, the problem is with players like McLean is he is in a similar position to Kerr, surronded by average players and copping the best tag = not as a good a game, once we get some better players he will also be a better player, and as most people do forget he had no pre season, is still quite young and so many people expect him to be a Judd like player, he is never going to be but he gives more to this club than virtually any other player.

I dont normally agree with Joeboys assessments but this week I thought he was close to the mark on nearly all players.

I thought Grimes possession count was a concern. It's usually a strength. He's obviously a keen rebounder, but he didn't get much of it. No reason to drop him or anything, but I think Joeboy has it right here.

Im pretty sure he got 18 touches. 2-3 below his average. Not that bad really.

Joe boy I have to seriously ask, has McLean ever played a good game in your book?

I think he was ok today in a awful side, I would not have said poor getting worse.

I really think you do not like him and will never say he played anything but poor.

Every week he has been just ok and slow. I'm sorry but I don't want him to be just ok. What has happened to the hard nosed aggresive animal that we saw a couple of years back?

Most of Joeboys assessments are OK.

But much too tough on Grimes ( who did OK given the number of times loose players came bursting out of the middle toward him) and a bit generous on Frawley ( who has played better games than he did today).

The main point about McLean is that he has been over-rated. He is too slow to be a top-line midfielder and makes too many mistakes to be captaincy material. Generally he is a good solid midfield option who gets a fair bit of the ball. He's definitely worth his place - but noting more

Most of Joeboys assessments are OK.

But much too tough on Grimes ( who did OK given the number of times loose players came bursting out of the middle toward him) and a bit generous on Frawley ( who has played better games than he did today).

The main point about McLean is that he has been over-rated. He is too slow to be a top-line midfielder and makes too many mistakes to be captaincy material. Generally he is a good solid midfield option who gets a fair bit of the ball. He's definitely worth his place - but noting more

That assessment of McLean Is just about spot on.

Bate - gave us something

Bell - not AFL standard

Bruce - still can't kick

Cheney - must keep playing

Davey - not his best

Frawley - not our worst

Green - wasn't at best

Grimes - good but loose

Jamar - great ruck effort

Johnson - absolutely abysmal handballing

Jones - stop kicking sideways

Maric - really, really disappointing

McDonald - probably carried injury

McLean - going nowhere fast

Moloney - wasn't his best

Morton - was hardly sighted

Rivers - just did OK

Robertson - an improvement defensively

Sylvia - another great performance

Warnock - good yet again

Watts - unfortunately did nothing

Whelan - far too loose

Hard to judge who plays on who half the time. I only saw him on Didak once or twice, but you might be right.

Still, I think that as a future midfielder, he is doing a terrific job playing on dangerous small forwards. He wasn't disgraced and fought admirably. His decision making and disposal is top notch, and his courage is exemplary.

Definitely would put him in the top half a dozen best players for us today (there weren't many!).

Same here. He definitely was on Didak for portions of the game and seemed far too loose to me, but it's a good learning experience for him. He has showed a lot in not many games. Certainly not our worst, and up there as being one of our better players, despite some mistakes.

People are being harsh on Maric.

He spent the majority of the game in an empty forwardline. The ball never got down there, and when it did, it was delivered much too high for someone his size, and the Pie always had too many numbers down back to allow him the crumb.

Yes he missed a couple he should have nailed, but I love that he is so smart with his ball use, and really the way we were outplayed today it is very hard to judge someone who is essentially playing in the most difficult position on the ground (in terms of being able to rack up the possessions and get involved).

I would have liked to see him play a bit more through the middle where he can get involved, get his hands on the ball and use his football brain and good skills (like he did against the Saints in the first half).