The following are out of contract come end of this season :

Daniel Bell - October 2009

Kyle Cheney - October 2009

Aaron Davey - October 2009

Jack Grimes - October 2009

Mark Jamar - October 2009

Addam Maric - October 2009

James McDonald - October 2009

Brock McLean - October 2009

Tom McNamara - October 2009

John Meesen - October 2009

Brad Miller - October 2009

Cale Morton - October 2009

Russell Robertson - October 2009

Colin Sylvia - October 2009

Matthew Whelan - October 2009

three ought not be too hard

As if we're going to delist Bate, Dunn, McNamara or Buckley....ZERO CHANCE!!! I'd give PJ only the slightest possibility but can't see it happening. Jamar and/or Bell maybe.

Maybe thats your issue.

The following are out of contract come end of this season :

Daniel Bell - October 2009

Kyle Cheney - October 2009

Aaron Davey - October 2009

Jack Grimes - October 2009

Mark Jamar - October 2009

Addam Maric - October 2009

James McDonald - October 2009

Brock McLean - October 2009

Tom McNamara - October 2009

John Meesen - October 2009

Brad Miller - October 2009

Cale Morton - October 2009

Russell Robertson - October 2009

Colin Sylvia - October 2009

Matthew Whelan - October 2009

three ought not be too hard

Meesen has another year to run Bub. His term expires in 2010

Aren't PJ and Wheatley out of contract this year?

In your scenario, with Freo & Richmond finishing below us this year, we would not get our first pick until pick 3, rnd 1.

No. If both Freo and Richmond finish below us with four wins or less, presuming Richmond finishes bottom, and presuming we win four and a half games or more...

Freo would get a priority pick at ND pick #1, Richmond would get ND pick #2, Freo would get ND pick #3, we would get pick #4.

Richmond's priority would come at the end of the first round, at #18. The Tigers won too many games last year to qualify for a priority pick before the first round.

Freo, West Coast and Melbourne are the only teams that can earn a priority pick before the first round this year.

No. If both Freo and Richmond finish below us with four wins or less, presuming Richmond finishes bottom, and presuming we win four and a half games or more...

Freo would get a priority pick at ND pick #1, Richmond would get ND pick #2, Freo would get ND pick #3, we would get pick #4.

Richmond's priority would come at the end of the first round, at #18. The Tigers won too many games last year to qualify for a priority pick before the first round.

Freo, West Coast and Melbourne are the only teams that can earn a priority pick before the first round this year.

..but freo won 6 games last year.. you only get the PP if you win 4 games or less 2 years in a row.. so if they finish bottom they only get pick 1..not 1 and 3

What picks are kept and what are traded will depend on who is there to take in the slim draft. If we have 1 & 2 it is a no brainer that we will take Scully and Butcher they fill in two important gaps. After that it depends on whether draftees are better than who we would replace. You wouldn't delist just for the sake of it.

"GC17 to have the capacity to sign 12 x 17 year-olds born in the January – April window (Jan-April 1992)."

Will be interesting to see which side of the line the various prospects fall.

Also, is GC be required/likely to take all 12? The quote (2009 draft thread) suggests not.

..but freo won 6 games last year.. you only get the PP if you win 4 games or less 2 years in a row.. so if they finish bottom they only get pick 1..not 1 and 3

Make that 1 and 17. like us last year. If they finish last and we attain less that 16.5 points, we still get pick 1, like Carlton did to Richmond? a couple of years ago.

What picks are kept and what are traded will depend on who is there to take in the slim draft. If we have 1 & 2 it is a no brainer that we will take Scully and Butcher they fill in two important gaps. After that it depends on whether draftees are better than who we would replace. You wouldn't delist just for the sake of it.

Spoke to an Old Xaverian yesterday. He said while Hailebury got flogged, Scully is something special. Fast, good body size and excellent on both sides of his body. He is the sort of player who can break the lines and given we have Junior and Bruce in their twilight, Scully seems to me to be a must pick up.

Spoke to an Old Xaverian yesterday. He said while Hailebury got flogged, Scully is something special. Fast, good body size and excellent on both sides of his body. He is the sort of player who can break the lines and given we have Junior and Bruce in their twilight, Scully seems to me to be a must pick up.

I too spoke to an Old Xav and he said that Hailebury won easily. One of us has his wires crossed - probably me.

He also said that Scully will be a star and would ALREADY be our best midfielder. Mind you, that's not saying much.

Raises the question, will trading pick 2 be considered?

Whilst the draft may be considered shallow or weak (although this cannot be determined until a couple of years after the draft itself), should we happen to have picks 1 & 2 or 1 & 3, we will not even consider trading for them (unless for a Pavlich/Selwood 2 for 1 deal)

Scully atm is the deserved #1 pick, and he would go very high in any draft, Butcher whilst not going as high in the stronger drafts, would not go below the top 10 (if that) in any draft.

And what are the 2 things we are crying out for most, a classy, quick, skillful inside midfielder and another tall forward. Depending on what 2nd round pick we would get and possibly throwing in a Bate, who knows what we could get in return. But alas, it is only the end of round 6. I will not allow myself to get too involved in this sort of thing yet.

As quite sadly, trade and draft time is my favourite part of the footy year atm. Keep bringing that talent in Barry!!!

Maybe thats your issue.

huh?

..but freo won 6 games last year.. you only get the PP if you win 4 games or less 2 years in a row.. so if they finish bottom they only get pick 1..not 1 and 3

Right you are! My apologies for the error. Freo's reputation comes to mind more quickly than reality when one casts one's mind back... !

Dee-luded, your summation was correct.

Whilst the draft may be considered shallow or weak (although this cannot be determined until a couple of years after the draft itself), should we happen to have picks 1 & 2 or 1 & 3, we will not even consider trading for them (unless for a Pavlich/Selwood 2 for 1 deal)

Scully atm is the deserved #1 pick, and he would go very high in any draft, Butcher whilst not going as high in the stronger drafts, would not go below the top 10 (if that) in any draft.

And what are the 2 things we are crying out for most, a classy, quick, skillful inside midfielder and another tall forward. Depending on what 2nd round pick we would get and possibly throwing in a Bate, who knows what we could get in return. But alas, it is only the end of round 6. I will not allow myself to get too involved in this sort of thing yet.

As quite sadly, trade and draft time is my favourite part of the footy year atm. Keep bringing that talent in Barry!!!

Agreed. I would doubt we'd give up our top picks. I can't imagine for who we might trade them.

We've just got to keep bringing in the young talent and Scully sounds like a perfect fit for us right now.

I've heard mixed reviews of Butcher. But if the recruiters deem him the next best available talent, we should definately take him.

We've just got to take the best available.

Ahh draft time, seems so far away right now.

If we get picks 1 and 2, I would trade pick 2 and Jack Watts to Port Adelaide for Warren Tredrea and Dean Brogan.

We need a key forward and a ruck, and they would be perfect.

If we get picks 1 and 2, I would trade pick 2 and Jack Watts to Port Adelaide for Warren Tredrea and Dean Brogan.

We need a key forward and a ruck, and they would be perfect.

Even in a draft with slim pickings, like 2003, the Bulldogs would have been happy with Cooney at #1.

If we get picks 1 and 2, I would trade pick 2 and Jack Watts to Port Adelaide for Warren Tredrea and Dean Brogan.

We need a key forward and a ruck, and they would be perfect.

While we have made some poor trades in the past I'd like to think we wouldn't do one as bad as that. hehe. The only player that I'd even consider trading pick 2 for would be Vickery.

Im sorry I just cant fathom why anyone is considering handing over a hard to get early pick in the last of the even drafts for at least 5 years.

We are NOWHERE near a tilt and near to bolster the ranks and improve the overall gene pool. We dont have 'that' much that we can afford to be cavalier about it now.

Picks 1 and 2 stay firmly in our hands for the best 2 players.. By al lmeans see who comes to the table for other offerings ut these two are non negotiable to me.

Next year is a different kettle of fish

Keep in mind other teams will be even more poorly situated with regard to the draft and their lists going forward. They are hardly likley to hand over anything near what those prized picks are worth.

Dead Easy.

The following all have to the best of my knoweledge, 2009 contract expiries.

Two or three of Robbo, Whelan, Wheatley and Junior.

Three/Four out of PJ, Jamar, Bate, Dunn, Bell, McNamara, Buckley. There may be others as I dont have a complete list of expiries.

I would not want to be a listed player with a contract expiry that has not been injured and is not cracking a regular senior game this year.

Bolded are those that I think are a chance to be moved on, and OOC, but...

Junior is the captain and still doing a job.

PJ and Jamar are ruckmen, poor ones I know, but unlikely to get rid of both if either.

McNamara might be one to come from nowhere like Garland did last year, was impressive against Coburg.

Bate has a contract and Buckley will not be moved on. Robbo looks over his injury to me, looked very good against Scarlett.

Whelan, Wheatley, Dunn, and Bell are, at this stage, relatively easy decisions. That's only 4.

Bolded are those that I think are a chance to be moved on, and OOC, but...

Junior is the captain and still doing a job.

PJ and Jamar are ruckmen, poor ones I know, but unlikely to get rid of both if either.

McNamara might be one to come from nowhere like Garland did last year, was impressive against Coburg.

Bate has a contract and Buckley will not be moved on. Robbo looks over his injury to me, looked very good against Scarlett.

Whelan, Wheatley, Dunn, and Bell are, at this stage, relatively easy decisions. That's only 4.

Keep in mind this isnt Rotary or such.. theres no clause that requires or allows a current captain to automaticaly play on ( Go ask Neeta )

Jnr is most likely as they say an interim leader. If he cant add to the equation then y default hes detracting from it. MFC must leasrn only those adding can be in the team. AlL good things comes to an end and so it wil for some stalwart and loved club players.. thats just life !!

Bolded are those that I think are a chance to be moved on, and OOC, but...

Junior is the captain and still doing a job.

PJ and Jamar are ruckmen, poor ones I know, but unlikely to get rid of both if either.

McNamara might be one to come from nowhere like Garland did last year, was impressive against Coburg.

Bate has a contract and Buckley will not be moved on. Robbo looks over his injury to me, looked very good against Scarlett.

Whelan, Wheatley, Dunn, and Bell are, at this stage, relatively easy decisions. That's only 4.

The only potential two I'd add to those four you've mentioned are Jamar (with Spencer to come off the rookie list and Meesen and Johnson possibly now ahead) and Sylvia. He'd be potential trade bait. Say for example Collingwood had pick 10 they may look at Sylvia and pick 18 for pick 10?

Then again it will mainly depend on how Sylvia goes for the remainder of the season.

The only potential two I'd add to those four you've mentioned are Jamar (with Spencer to come off the rookie list and Meesen and Johnson possibly now ahead) and Sylvia. He'd be potential trade bait. Say for example Collingwood had pick 10 they may look at Sylvia and pick 18 for pick 10?

Then again it will mainly depend on how Sylvia goes for the remainder of the season.

Ignoring the specifics those are the sort of deals that are more likely to occur this year than the last few years. Getting a player and dropping a few spots on the order may be seen as good sense in an ordinary draft year.

The only potential two I'd add to those four you've mentioned are Jamar (with Spencer to come off the rookie list and Meesen and Johnson possibly now ahead) and Sylvia. He'd be potential trade bait. Say for example Collingwood had pick 10 they may look at Sylvia and pick 18 for pick 10?

Then again it will mainly depend on how Sylvia goes for the remainder of the season.

While I agree with Redleg in theory what has Sylvia done in 6 years in a bottom ranked side that would justify a first round pick from anyone?

And by the way, PJ makes Jamar on the sidelines a more effective ruckman.