I still disagree with you, but that's an awesome line... gave me a good giggle...

Thanks, I felt guilty writing it but I just couldn't keep it to myself.

He was great today.

Had at least 7 shots on goal, 2.4 and one out on the full.

He may have had another shot that fell short, so that would be 8 shots on goal.

He took a couple of great marks, and most importantly contested a few others that broke open a pack and we got at least one goal from (Jetta on the goal line.)

I thought he pressured well.

A good step forward for Juice today.

So it's ok for Juice to get a lot of it but be inaccurate, but when Bruce does it he needs to be dropped? Make up your mind.

I remember him taking one mark running with the flight of the ball facing the direction it was travelling. It was a pretty good mark but it was uncontested.

I also remember him at one stage running back with the flight of the ball facing the kicker (Morton?) only to have the ball sail over his head. I suspect that he is a good judge of the ball in the air so what am I to make of his tentative and cramped backwards strides?

He was given plenty of opportunities today and he created none of them. He was weak and sometimes didn't even bother to raise both of his arms when "contesting" a mark. I remember him lying on the ground in the foetal position for long minutes around the forward flank after some negligilbe-looking contact. Perhaps he took a decent knock and was winded, it does happen. But he could have sprinted for the bench and he still would not have got off that ground quick enough for me.

Having said all that, it was probably his best performance so far. Make of that what you will.

edit: P.S. Thank you BRAD MILLER for yet another inspirational 100% effort.

Completely Agree.

And good ghost train line.

I remember him taking one mark running with the flight of the ball facing the direction it was travelling. It was a pretty good mark but it was uncontested.

I also remember him at one stage running back with the flight of the ball facing the kicker (Morton?) only to have the ball sail over his head. I suspect that he is a good judge of the ball in the air so what am I to make of his tentative and cramped backwards strides?

Both of those occurred in the second quarter. The first was a contested mark and he used excellent body positioning to take what was effectively in the end a chest mark on his right hand side. Probably a 60/40 ball.

The second one simply went about a metre and a half over his head. Just a poor kick to a player 10-15 metres in the clear.

I remain to be convinced (both in consistency of workrate and skill level), but this wasn't the game to have a go at him after. Have seen games where he went to ground too easily or seemed to give up - yesterday, there were definite second and third efforts.

The guy is a dud. Fools gold if ever I've seen one.

I remember him taking one mark running with the flight of the ball facing the direction it was travelling. It was a pretty good mark but it was uncontested.

I also remember him at one stage running back with the flight of the ball facing the kicker (Morton?) only to have the ball sail over his head. I suspect that he is a good judge of the ball in the air so what am I to make of his tentative and cramped backwards strides?

He was given plenty of opportunities today and he created none of them. He was weak and sometimes didn't even bother to raise both of his arms when "contesting" a mark. I remember him lying on the ground in the foetal position for long minutes around the forward flank after some negligilbe-looking contact. Perhaps he took a decent knock and was winded, it does happen. But he could have sprinted for the bench and he still would not have got off that ground quick enough for me.

Having said all that, it was probably his best performance so far. Make of that what you will.

edit: P.S. Thank you BRAD MILLER for yet another inspirational 100% effort.

I gues we have a problem that you and many others have not seen the replay.How on earth could anyone say "he was given plenty of opportunities today and he created none of them?

Do yourself a favour and get a tape of the match. His first mark [ist quarter] was heavily contested, on the chest in the end. [sure, he missed the shot for goal]His first mark in the 3rd was the result of a good lead and a sliding, low contested mark.[He kicked the goal from well out] He then missed an easy goal after a good mark with the ball coming over his shoulder, but atoned in part with a decent snap a minute later. He also during this period was totally responsible for Davey's goal which resulted from a near-mark after which he followed up, got the ball against hot opposition and handpassed to Davey. At times he marked deep in defence. It was a damned good game and as Stuey Spencer has pointed out with Newton in the side the forward line had structure--something it has lacked up until now

I really rated his game for all its worth, he does however have the problem of looking like he's loping along, but I think it is perception more than anything. I really watched him for his efforts without the ball and he put pressured on all day, it just looks like hes loping along all gangly thats all! 2 goals and a number of shots is not a bad return for a virtual first gamer

So it's ok for Juice to get a lot of it but be inaccurate, but when Bruce does it he needs to be dropped? Make up your mind.

One of them is our highest paid player whos disposal continually loses us games of footy.

Another is a kid in what, his 10th game?

Be serious Dappa.

I got home and watched the replay as you do when we win. Newton was lining up for goal and his age came up on the screen - 21! (22 next week actually). I shouldn't have been surprised by his age but I was. He's still a kid finding his way and developing his body. My god we can be harsh critics at times. Let's not write him off yet. Instead praise him for a good game yesterday and hope it leads to many more.

What annoys me about any player (regardless of ability) is if they don't have a crack. Newton has been accused of this in the past but yesterday he had a crack and he had some successes. Give the guy that much credit.

Juice could have kicked 6 and Miller 7. Both were very inaccurate. If they both had been accurate what would we be saying today. They had good games yesterday but are battlers who have some ability. Miller is harder at every contest whereas Juice often appears to be looking to do the spectacular. While Bate was quiet yesterday it does straighten us up having all three in the forward line. They all have to be manned up and that creates other opportunities for the smaller players, note Jetta's increased number of shots.

I also loved the contest where Richo went for a mark against three Dees and glared at his team mates as we swept the ball out of their forward line, it was so reminiscent of many games we have played.

Juice could have kicked 6 and Miller 7. Both were very inaccurate. If they both had been accurate what would we be saying today. They had good games yesterday but are battlers who have some ability. Miller is harder at every contest whereas Juice often appears to be looking to do the spectacular. While Bate was quiet yesterday it does straighten us up having all three in the forward line. They all have to be manned up and that creates other opportunities for the smaller players, note Jetta's increased number of shots.

I also loved the contest where Richo went for a mark against three Dees and glared at his team mates as we swept the ball out of their forward line, it was so reminiscent of many games we have played.

This might be because Newton actually has a bag of tricks whereas Brad is more your meat and two veg, hold the gravy, type of forward. It should be interesting to see if the form holds up next week against Rutten and Bock.

The hate in this thread is unbelievable.

Juice could have kicked 6 and Miller 7. Both were very inaccurate. If they both had been accurate what would we be saying today. They had good games yesterday but are battlers who have some ability. Miller is harder at every contest whereas Juice often appears to be looking to do the spectacular. While Bate was quiet yesterday it does straighten us up having all three in the forward line. They all have to be manned up and that creates other opportunities for the smaller players, note Jetta's increased number of shots.

I also loved the contest where Richo went for a mark against three Dees and glared at his team mates as we swept the ball out of their forward line, it was so reminiscent of many games we have played.

Well said Redleg.

Myself and Clint Bizkit have been crying out for us to play with a forward structure that allows us some opportunity to kick a competitive score, and that's exactly what Miller, Newton and Bate do. None of these players will be stars, but if they provide a contest, we can at least apply some pressure on the opposition defence.

I much prefer a forward structure of limited talent than a non-existent forward line.

The hate in this thread is unbelievable.

Must be a thread about Cameron Bruce.

We win a game and do well and you all F%@%@ still sook about how they play and so on. Cameron Bruce is a fantastic player FULL STOP.

Newton played well yesterday and so did miller it was good to see FULL STOP.

Colin Sylvia played well good on him.

I bet all the people sooking at the ones who go to the snow and dont actually watch and encourage our team.

"Juice often appears to be looking to do the spectacular."

"This might be because Newton actually has a bag of tricks"

If/When Newton learns to play a micromillimetre within himself and his bag of tricks, look out.

The increased work-rate and application shown is promising.

He's only 21, played 17 games and everyone knows it takes KPPs longer to develop than other players.

Had he kicked a couple of sitters he could've had 4 or 5 in front of one of the worst midfields in the comp in a forward line that has been struggling to say the least.

Despite all this, there are plenty on here who are not only prepared to say he's not good enough, but that he's lazy and lacks commitment.

Ur. Avin. A. Larf.

The hate in this thread is unbelievable.

The hate in this thread is unbelievably sad.

This follow the leader stuff is very tiresome.

Many of you refuse to open your eyes.

Juice could have kicked 6 and Miller 7. Both were very inaccurate. If they both had been accurate what would we be saying today.

Bye Bye Wallace?

Well said Redleg.

Myself and Clint Bizkit have been crying out for us to play with a forward structure that allows us some opportunity to kick a competitive score, and that's exactly what Miller, Newton and Bate do. None of these players will be stars, but if they provide a contest, we can at least apply some pressure on the opposition defence.

I much prefer a forward structure of limited talent than a non-existent forward line.

We had 52 Inside 50s and to my eyes were delivered to players better than the three weeks previous that averaged 42 Inside 50s.

The midfield stepped it up and the forward line enjoyed the better service and the plethora of opportunities.

Made important steps today but ultimately I do not see a position for him in 3 years time, which means he is taking the spot of someone who could be. Deserves a spot for the next few weeks, but more than a couple of indifferent games should see him gone.

I suspect Newton will only be saved by the length of his contract.

I got home and watched the replay as you do when we win. Newton was lining up for goal and his age came up on the screen - 21! (22 next week actually). I shouldn't have been surprised by his age but I was. He's still a kid finding his way and developing his body. My god we can be harsh critics at times. Let's not write him off yet. Instead praise him for a good game yesterday and hope it leads to many more.

What annoys me about any player (regardless of ability) is if they don't have a crack. Newton has been accused of this in the past but yesterday he had a crack and he had some successes. Give the guy that much credit.

well said! And talk of watching the replay let's mention 2 others. I thought Bartram was ordinary[whilst at the game] But watching the replay showed how important he was in the 2nd half. 8 hard-ball gets--he and Miller were equal highest--sure he coughed it up a couple of times but i'm not surprised both the MFC and The Hun rated him amongst Melbourne's best.

Ditto Paul Johnson-a close watch of the telly showed just how much work he did--worth a vote?I didn't think so but a much better game than I'd thought whilst at the game

We had 52 Inside 50s and to my eyes were delivered to players better than the three weeks previous that averaged 42 Inside 50s.

The midfield stepped it up and the forward line enjoyed the better service and the plethora of opportunities.

Agree rpfc.

We actually won the clearances and contested possessions in the middle and hey what a difference that makes.

Agree rpfc.

We actually won the clearances and contested possessions in the middle and hey what a difference that makes.

Indeed.

We still only won, one quarter. As DB stated let's not get ahead of ourselves there is still much work to be done. But hey, it is promising and good for the player's 'belief.'

Dunno why the 1 quarter thing keeps coming up. We led at quarter time, and led by more at half time ..