Jeff White and Adam Yze cut saves Dees $1 million

[beelzebub 23,378]

Back ended contracts....

ie. For each: 1 million over 3 years

Year 1 $200k

Year 2 $300k

Year 3 $500k

Pure speculation here.

I suspect ( again only speculate ) this is very much the vein of the siutation.

[Yencks 8]

ok question: the article doesnt actually explain why we might not be able to delist carrol,

does anyone know??

[Mono 455]

ok question: the article doesnt actually explain why we might not be able to delist carrol,

does anyone know??

He's under contract for 2009. And it depends on the terms of the contract. They'll probably try and trade him 1st.

[Mono 455]

Back ended contracts....

ie. For each: 1 million over 3 years

Year 1 $200k

Year 2 $300k

Year 3 $500k

Pure speculation here.

I'll stop my head shaking now :angry: but wonder about terms of Bruce and Robbo's contracts.

[beelzebub 23,378]

ok question: the article doesnt actually explain why we might not be able to delist carrol,

does anyone know??

He may not have contravened any clause of his contract. Being silly and being in breech are two different things !! <_<

[deanox 9,927]

yeah but we can delist and pay out at any time surely?

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

of course..could be entirely wrong !!

My understanding is that they were not on back ended contracts.

Back Ended contracts are an anathema to sensible commercial planning. Its does a Club no favours.

Id say your right, contracts are usually backended, especially our bigger ones from years past. Yze and Bruce both had big back ended contracts, Bruce will be having his last big money year this season, he will make the most next season than he ever has.

No they are not. How do you know what the terms are of either Yze's or Bruce's contract are?

He's under contract for 2009. And it depends on the terms of the contract. They'll probably try and trade him 1st.

Easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle than trade Carroll.

Why would anyone trade for a renowned social and culture sore who is barely AFL standard?

[Demons 32 235]

My understanding is that they were not on back ended contracts.

Back Ended contracts are an anathema to sensible commercial planning. Its does a Club no favours.

No they are not. How do you know what the terms are of either Yze's or Bruce's contract are?

Easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle than trade Carroll.

I distinctly remember it being reported in most papers when Bruce signed his long term deal that the contract was lengthy and back ended to ensure Collingwood couldn't get their mits on him.

Did you just try and start a fight or do you know something of substance?

Many contracts are back ended, you may see it as poor planning, which it is most of the time, but if a team is desperate a backended contract usually wins out. Unfortunately teams cannot always pay under the cap during one year but with an impending retirement/veteran status of a player a backended option is always viable and rightly so.

If theres one thing I have learnt in my life of forecasting and contractual agreements is that to get the right business you will see some backended contracts, not everyday, but some.

[Mono 455]

Why would anyone trade for a renowned social and culture sore who is barely AFL standard?

I agree, to a point. But I'm sure they will still try.

yeah but we can delist and pay out at any time surely?

I would think so, but payment would still come under TPP. Maybe he is still on the list too, unless he retires.

[Cards13 9,117]

Yeah I have read that.

My point is though, that, a young talented ruckman like Warnock, I would have thought, would be alot more interested in a club like Carlton than Melbourne at this stage. I certianly hope I am wrong.

We have first pick, but hes under no obligation to come to Melb.

Spot on RK. He has said he wants to leave but is hoping to be traded. I think Carltank will throw a lot more at Freo than we will as the MFC footy dept have stated they will not give up draft picks.

[jacey 333]

Spot on RK. He has said he wants to leave but is hoping to be traded. I think Carltank will throw a lot more at Freo than we will as the MFC footy dept have stated they will not give up draft picks.

They won't use their first pick (7ish). They might offer their second pick (25ish). Our pick 17 or 19 is better and if Robbie wants MFC, I'm confident we can negotiate it down to our 3rd pick (pick 35ish).

[demoniac 1,333]

I am absolutely staggered if combined they were getting >$1M. Good god. Who's responsible? Cameron? Daniher? Who's been footy manager over the past few years? So what's Bruce getting?????? (We have all assumed around $400K to $450K) May be $600K, $700K? Good heavens. No wonder Green wants more.

Thank heavens Gardner (and McNamee - the jBrown man) are gone.

Head shaking ... Head shaking ... Head shaking ... Head shaking ... Head shaking ... Head shaking ... Head shaking ...

If I recall correctly Yze has just completed the 4 year deal which he signed after being bid up by the Blues to $1.4 million or so. Quite likely that it would have been backloaded to maximise payment in the year (or 2 years) when he became eligibile for the veteran's list so Yze's share of Dr Evil's one million dollars might have been around $600,000 or $650,000.

An important lesson in knowing when to hold em and when to fold em I guess. We should appoint Kenny Rogers as our List Manager.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I distinctly remember it being reported in most papers when Bruce signed his long term deal that the contract was lengthy and back ended to ensure Collingwood couldn't get their mits on him.

Bruce did sign a long contract with MFC. How could Collingwood get their mits on him if he is contracted to MFC? Your substantiate does not make sense.

Did you just try and start a fight or do you know something of substance?

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That what i asked you as you made the comment that "contracts are usually backended".

Many contracts are back ended, you may see it as poor planning, which it is most of the time, but if a team is desperate a backended contract usually wins out.

How do you base that comment? You actually know something or you are blowing hot air?

FWIW, most AFL Clubs have all been burned by back ended contracts for player whose form, performances deteriorates as there contract payments acclerates. This only chokes the finances of the club and screws list management. It does not work and most AFL Clubs know this and I know from one CFO at an AFL that they dont do it

Unfortunately teams cannot always pay under the cap during one year but with an impending retirement/veteran status of a player a backended option is always viable and rightly so.

Clubs know they cant lowball one year with screwing later years so they dont do it. And BTW, how is a backended contract "viable and rightly so" when you have labelled it as poor planning?

If theres one thing I have learnt in my life of forecasting and contractual agreements is that to get the right business you will see some backended contracts, not everyday, but some.

You have not finished your apprenticeship sonny and have a lot to learn if you think it applies in the AFL.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

If I recall correctly Yze has just completed the 4 year deal which he signed after being bid up by the Blues to $1.4 million or so. Quite likely that it would have been backloaded to maximise payment in the year (or 2 years) when he became eligibile for the veteran's list so Yze's share of Dr Evil's one million dollars might have been around $600,000 or $650,000.

An important lesson in knowing when to hold em and when to fold em I guess. We should appoint Kenny Rogers as our List Manager.

Not completely correct.

Yze secured a marque contract at the end of 2002 for three years after a great season and Yze's manager flirting and courting Carlton for allegedly big bucks. I suspect your figure for the Blues is close to the package.

Unfortunately, Yze didnt not deliver on his contract dollars and deteriorated as footballer to the stage that as "Captain" and an acting one at that finished the 2005 season in an injury depleted EF team by running off the bench and tossing the coin to only return to the bench where he lately came for some very classy toepokes late in tbe piece.

His contract was up for renewal at the time. MFC wanted to give two years on a lower though still substantial amount. Yze wanted three years. Yze's manager went to the media and said Yze was prepared to go to the PSD. MFC gave him 3 years. We should have let him walk to the PSD then. Kenny Rogers rule should have defintely applied

[rpfc 28,450]

They were both on $500k, deal with it people.

You have to pay the money to someone...

Makes sense they are on this much.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Makes sense they are on this much.

It does??

[Swampfox 190]

I do hope we have learnt from the past about player contracts and payments

reward the player on demonstated ability not hope and in some cases hype