Jumping Jack Clennett 1,825 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 When Brad Green had the drop on Monfries at CHF, and climbed all over his back, converting what should have been a "gimme" free for holding the ball(and a shot from 40m. straight in front) to an obvious free against for "in the back", I nearly spewed. Yes, I know players deliberately fall forward when tackled from behind, but Greenie(one of my favourite players), made no attempt to pin his arms and fall to one side. A goal to us athat stage might have changed the game. This clanger must be avoided at all costs.
deanox 10,071 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 green had no choice. it should have been called played on. they were running at full pace and monfries dropped under him. green would have taken him sideways but he fell over the top. umpire should have called play on for staging. replay clearly showed that monfries stopped running and dropped his knees.
wisedog 352 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 At this stage of the game I felt aggrieved for just about every free paid against us. But I was more [censored] off at Monfries than the umpire. He just dropped as soon as he took possession, and it didn't look as though there was a whole lot Green could do about it. That's how it seemed at the game. I'm probably wrong.
Tony Tea 2,816 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 I'm with you, Jack, Green had him cold, but his tackle was lazy and high in spite of Monfries starting to dive. Davey does the same thing.
FitZ 0 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Monfries started diving forward before Green even started tackling him.
Little Goffy 14,978 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Yeah, come on, Monfries dropped the knees and tilted forward as Green was tackling him, there was bugger all Green could've done about it except abandon the tackle. For what it's worth, it was very obvious on television, might not have looked so clear cut at the ground. Nothin like a slow-mo replay to make clear that someone started to slide under of their own accord. Chalk up another dive for the bombers. Don't ever go doubting it's firm within their culture.
Roost It 1,434 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 JUMPING JACK CLENNETT said: When Brad Green had the drop on Monfries at CHF, and climbed all over his back, converting what should have been a "gimme" free for holding the ball(and a shot from 40m. straight in front) to an obvious free against for "in the back", I nearly spewed. Yes, I know players deliberately fall forward when tackled from behind, but Greenie(one of my favourite players), made no attempt to pin his arms and fall to one side. A goal to us athat stage might have changed the game. This clanger must be avoided at all costs. Didn't see that as a clanger. I was at the game with an essendon supporter and we laughed at the decision. We thought Monfries was getting into the olympic spirit with a fautless dive. Gutless umpiring, shouldh've been play on. I don't remember a game where the umpires helped switch the momentum away from us more clearly than Saturday's. And while I'm here why the f--k was it an essendon home game. The AFL are insane. I mean they finally play us on Saturday and we don't get the gate, as a currently poor club he was an easy way to pump some money into our coffers.
Guest Schtacker Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Godemons said: I'm with you, Jack, Green had him cold, but his tackle was lazy and high in spite of Monfries starting to dive. Davey does the same thing. So does Sylvia but he gets em in the back frustrates the hell out of me
Guest TheVoice Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 The popular trend of falling forward in a tackle when you know your gone is a blight on todays game. I say where it is blatantly obvious that a player has fallen forward, PLAYON BOYS!! Let them have their noses pollaxed firmly in the ground for no return and the pea hearts that do it will soon get the idea that such tactics wont wash.
heartbeatstrue 57 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Bombers players dive all the time, it's part of their culture. That and cribbing over the mark, it was going on all day Saturday. Bunch of cheats.
H_T 3,049 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 heartbeatstrue said: Bombers players dive all the time, it's part of their culture. That and cribbing over the mark, it was going on all day Saturday. Bunch of cheats. Thats right. Lloydy is their mentor and teaches the technique to his troops...he's what you might call the Grandmaster
Eastie Boyz 0 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 heartbeatstrue said: Bombers players dive all the time, it's part of their culture. That and cribbing over the mark, it was going on all day Saturday. Bunch of cheats. There's nothing in the rules that says you can't bend the rules. Perhaps if Melbourne had adopted such tactics they would have won. It is often said that the little things are the most important in life (and in this case football)
H_T 3,049 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 Eastie Boyz said: Perhaps if Melbourne had adopted such tactics they would have won. It is often said that the little things are the most important in life (and in this case football) Every 1% counts. But diving is IMO gutless.
Demon4Life 603 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 players should be instructed to drop a knee into their kidney if the player drops forward in a tackle, or just make sure they drive them a foot into the turf. It would solve the problem pretty quickly
Brocky 4 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 JUMPING JACK CLENNETT said: When Brad Green had the drop on Monfries at CHF, and climbed all over his back, converting what should have been a "gimme" free for holding the ball(and a shot from 40m. straight in front) to an obvious free against for "in the back", I nearly spewed. You are kidding right? Monfries heard Green coming, took a short step and started to drop at the knees before Green even began to tackle him. The only way Green could have avoided giving away the free was to not tackle him at all.
Eastie Boyz 0 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 High Tower said: Every 1% counts. But diving is IMO gutless. How is it gutless?
wisedog 352 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 Because instead of fighting out the play or suffering the consequences of the team's error, they attempt to fool the umpire to win a cheap free kick.
Eastie Boyz 0 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 I still fail to see how that is gutless. If the tackling player gets low enough like Whelan does it is still possible to tackle and roll to avoid giving away a free kick
wisedog 352 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 With Monfries, the Green tackle could have resulted in a turn over, or a ball up. But instead of dealing with that possibility, Monfries took the 'gutless' decision of dropping his legs... Of course it's gutless, but it's becoming more and more a part of the game. You could consider it smart play, but I really hate seeing it.
Eastie Boyz 0 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 It is smart. I'm sure if a Melbourne player was doing it your view would be different.
deanox 10,071 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 its gutless becauswe instead of trying to use his skill and pace to beat green, he decided to take a soft cheap option and try and win a free kick from an umpire. the rules werent written to win free kicks. the rules were written to protect players. gutless, cheap, and not in the spirit of the game. you're welcome to go back to bomberblitz if you dont like it.
Eastie Boyz 0 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 If the rules were there to protect players why are we allowed to tackle? If a player gets pushed in the back he gets pushed in the back, simple. Ideally I'd like to see the umpires call play on but there's no rule for it (unlike the ducking the head one which is never enforced anyway). Like I said before, if the tackler gets as low as someone like Whelan they won't clumsily fall into their back and even if they don't get down low all they have to do is grab and handful of jumper and hold on. Tackler might fly over the top but at least the tackle sticks and is legal.
Ash35 425 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 The criticism of Monfries by everyone here is very amusing, but not unexpected. Surely Brad Green should have known about the 'drop to knees' technique that Monfries employed as he is an expert at it himself.
Nasher 33,686 Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 Ash 30 said: The criticism of Monfries by everyone here is very amusing, but not unexpected. Surely Brad Green should have known about the 'drop to knees' technique that Monfries employed as he is an expert at it himself. It may well be that I wear my red and blue coloured glasses while watching the footy, but I've never seen Green do that. Personally, I find it an annoying and frustrating tactic regardless of which team is employing it.
H_T 3,049 Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 Eastie Boyz said: How is it gutless? Here are your answers Eastie Boyz: - roulette said: Because instead of fighting out the play or suffering the consequences of the team's error, they attempt to fool the umpire to win a cheap free kick. roulette said: With Monfries, the Green tackle could have resulted in a turn over, or a ball up. But instead of dealing with that possibility, Monfries took the 'gutless' decision of dropping his legs... Of course it's gutless, but it's becoming more and more a part of the game. You could consider it smart play, but I really hate seeing it. deanox said: its gutless becauswe instead of trying to use his skill and pace to beat green, he decided to take a soft cheap option and try and win a free kick from an umpire. the rules werent written to win free kicks. the rules were written to protect players. gutless, cheap, and not in the spirit of the game. you're welcome to go back to bomberblitz if you dont like it. I rest my case...
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