Red and Blue Flame

GNF said a contracted KPF. I'm trying to join dots as to realistic yet decent KPF. Schache and Bruce are not the answer...

Which is a disaster. I do not see ANY point given we have Weideman. Couldn't care less that he is a pick 2, he's never delivered at AFL level

Ben King would be an interesting one. The only KPF in contract that I would've expected as gettable.

If we are letting Weid go, then perhaps GNF has something to it...but i would consider Bruce or Schache disasters and may as well have kept Weid. Why not go Ollie Henry

Would appear that exit interviews for fringe players post Casey GF will be tomorrow given no list change announcements today?

The most interesting thing re Jackson and possible list changes is that we do not have a draft pick until pick 32 (no first round pick and based on finishing outside top 4). I would hope that we get two first round picks for Jackson. Whilst Grundy would be handy to help give Gawn a chop out, neither he or Gawn or genuine forwards so I wouldn't want to be getting rid of both first rounders/or even one as has been reported as part of potential Grundy deal. An opportunity to get in more young talent. We only blooded one debutant this year (Turner). Outside of Hunt/Melksham, we barely had proper competition for spots from Premiership year.

Could say the same for any interstate side, yet plenty currently occupy the bottom 10.

I am shocked we have only delisted two players...unbelievable. What are they waiting for?

Of genuine concern is the lack of talent on our list Under 22. on the same level, the lack of talent on our list above the age of 28.

Probably one of the better posts on this website. We were always going to be 6-12 this year. Injuries have meant that we are definitely outside of that. DO NOT underestimate the scarring a prelim final loss like that has. Had we lost by a point, different story. Sides that get belted/completely outplayed in Grand Finals are exactly the same: Port 07...never got back there (and played well above themselves that year). Sydney 2014 - haven't got close since. Adelaide 2017...

We got May, KK and pick 23 for Hogan. Huge result. As good as Hogan was/is and as much as he may turn out to be a star, we had some of our best wins in the last three years without him. Including our final 4 games of this year (2 finals included). Put May and Lever into that side and Darling and Kennedy probably don't do as much damage. Midfield show up and we probably win. Bring on 2019

This has derailed our attempt to get Steve May. Club are extremely frustrated with Jesse - they have gone ahead to negotiate with Freo. Seems as though for the first time in a while we are going to be involved in the deal that holds up the whole workings of others.

Long bow here but Johnstone's delisting to me would suggest Hogan has told club he is going. It leaves 33 spots on primary list (7 remaining...). We only have four 'live' picks as it stands...32,43,50,86. Preuss and KK to come in potentially, but Kent, Hogan and maybe Vandenberg and Tyson out... Something tells me we are going to be fairly active. I have it on very good authority that if Hogan does go to Freo or West Coast, Melb would be asking for 2 x top 10 draft picks minimum - not two first round picks as being communicated through the media. They will play hard ball. Key forwards (think Josh kennedy/judd trade) do not happen often, so the price is more than a premium mid.

yes - I was insinuating JPK....well worth a first round pick. another 4-5 years in him

I've got it on very good authority that IF Buddy Franklin is to return to playing football, it won't be at the Swans....very interesting times for them as a club with their half trade ban (up to players value of 350-400?). They won't be trading Tippett (despite what some think on here) or Reid now that Goodes/Buddy are out. Source is a guy I know in the Swans Coterie who has very reliable info. Also said that Sydney would be looking for first round picks for their academy players and would need to probably offload players above the age of 27-28. So Jack, Parker, Mitchell, Hannebery, Heeney all off limits....but there's a mid at the Swans i think we all know who Roosy would love to get that is over the age of 27 at the Swans. Push hard Demons!

With the 6 changes on the list so far, you'd think that Harmes and Vandenberg will be elevated, which only leaves 2 spots on the primary list, and 2 spots for rookies.... Surely there will be more delistings/movement, as I would be disappointed with two young draftees/rookies. Still have Pedersen, Hunt, Garland, Howe + Toumpas OOC plus Terlich, M Jones, Dawes, Grimes, Watts

What was 'the point'?

put your money where your mouth is. Which 2 players?

No. Wrong. Do you seriously think good players from other clubs would want to come to Melbourne? There are 14 teams above us on the ladder. We have to build through the draft.

Ruthless. is the word i'd like Dean Bailey to use when asked about personnel changes over summer we need to delist/trade at least 6 players. Getting rid of White Yze and Holland gives us some salary cap relief cos we need it- trading bruce would be the option