manny100

I now get it!!!! What Roos was effectively saying in the presser is that if a small takes a mark instead of the tall who could have taken it the team is effectively playing 'one down' or 17. The mark should be left for the tall and the small is supposed to run on and create another option. Team work!!

I think a gun KPF or 2 straightens the mids and running defenders up. Gives them a target. Gives them some confidence that their efforts will be rewarded and the ball will not come straight back over their heads etc. Ordinary forwards make good disposal look ordinary and gun forwards can make up a fair bit for ordinary disposal. All in all gun forwards make more out of their chances and make the mids look better. They also make the distributors more satisfied with their lot. Gun forwards and gun mids in the same team.................................... that's what we want!!!

Wishing Trenners a successful recovery and fulfilling career.

Its probably knackered our 'surprise' late trade which would probably would have involved a player and pick for our pick 3 and 12.

Is an 'aggravation' another season out??? Or less??

Great get!!!! He should be the start of a great trading season for us. Add, Brayshaw, Lubamba, and some more. Plus Hogan and Trengove to come back....................... YES!!!!

Good article. Logically we think well if we cannot get a priority after many poor seasons then the PP system must be dead and buried and there will never be another PP given. I think wrong!!!! The AFL will do what wants and sees is the best for the game. The Saints must be dumb. Their coach opposes a PP for the Dees. If we do not get one then how can they?? Ok I can see they would not want us to get a before round 1 pick. But a later pick. Money and supporter base is so important the AFL cannot allow the top teams to lanquish for to long. You can bet when the Hawks, maggies etc cycle is done they will get PP's thrown at them. TV wants teams that attract viewers. AFL wants to make money. The worst thing that can happen is that the top 4 each year hardly changes. But we could be heading that way

Outside players typically take a fair while to develop in bottom teams. Form of players like Toumpass and Watts will follow the progress of the team. As the team plays better so will they. Outside players require hard at it inside mids who are highly skilled at distribution to get the ball to them. We have hardly been good ion that area. That is the reason why Roos wants to recruit mids with elite potential this draft season. Plus you cannot win to many games without a top midfield.

I think we should just accept he is gone forget that and concentrate on the trade outcome - I am sure underneath the diplomacy that is what Roos is thinking now. Hawks first rounder will do it. Its another example why there should be PP's - good players only want to go to the top clubs. Its all lop sided!!!!

Looks like we will be bent over again!!!!!! Occchhhhh.!!! Roos basically said we will get under compensated for Clark in a trade. Lets hope for a 1st rounder for Frawley. Surely we could not done over twice in a draft season!!!!!

Labamba for Clark.

We will trade Clark if he wants to go to the club of his choice. Swap for Labamba would be ok. Otherwise would be looking say 30+ given his injuries. What we really need is pick3 for Frawley!!!

I think the he said/she said, he did/he didn't is now irrelevant. The issue which is very relevant is the compensation we receive via trade for picks or player if he comes back. May be the reason Roos met with the magpies player!!!

It was said on 'Ed and Dermy' she was doing a course and that was why he was likely to play for a Vic club. No mention of who is paying for the course but it was mentioned that MC received a very generous payout from the Dees!! Unlikley we would be paying for the course direcly - not an issue anyway.

According to 'Ed and Dermy' it will be a Melbourne based club. His partner is doing a course here. The Dees will play hard ball and seek a trade.

Reported on 'Ed and Dermy' that MC's manager stated he would come back but not with the Dees'. He is still listed and the Dees were likely to play hard ball and seek a trade. There was some shock/horror about the hard ball which softened just a tad when it was revealed that he had received a very generous pay out from the Dees. Mentioned that it was likely a Vic club. No mention of value in terms of picks or players. Maybe around 20+ or a swap for Labamba - maybe why the meeting with Roos???? Hmmmmm, Roos would get the quick line breaking half back he wants, a swap for Mitchell boosts the midfield he says needs class as does the return of Trengove. That still leaves pick 2 for Brayshaw, Petracca or one of the talls - plus Stretch!!!! All we need to do then is to fluke a gun with our second rounder!!! Oh, and don't wake me up as I am enjoying this dream!!!!!

The swans will make a list decision. They have Mitchell struggling for a game. PLUS they get Heeney at pick 18 this year (touted as a top 3 - 5pick!!!!!!). PLUS next year they get Mills - academy and Dunkley - F/S both touted as potential tops 10 mids (Mills top 5). They will have an oversupply of mids. So if they want to maximise value for Mitchell and recruit another type eg tall with a good pick the swans will need to do it this year. So its a chance. Pick 3 is to much so we will want a sweetner. Don't forget under normal circumstances he cannot get a game - a gun walks in straight away. Playing mid for the swans is a tad easier than the Dees!!!!!! And we do not want to talk him up to much!!

If we get a 1st Round compo pick for Frawley then we have to pick up Wright if available at that pick. Jamar is jogging towards the finish line and both Gawn and Wright will be able to play forward and ruck. It will be our luck we rate Heeney as the best at our pick, we nominate and he goes to Sydney on the cheap. We are judged just to miss out on a first rounder for Frawley and get unders as a second round. We are then told by the AFL that other clubs have rated our list on the verge of being the greatest team of all time so we do not get a priority. In 2015 we finish bottom and Sydney Academy player Mills is clearly the top pick. We nominate and naturally we goes to Sydney on the cheap at pick 18. The AFL again reject our PP application on the basis that other clubs judge that out list is on the verge of greatness. This process repeats over and over. Eventually Nathan Jones is forced to retire aged 53 and is cranky because he believes he had a couple of seasons left despite the doctors saying they could not find his knees. The following season the Dees % falls to less than 3% due to missing their most experienced player. Sadly the Saints have had the same fate. Reiwoldt is forced to retire even though no one can remember how old he is. Apparently dementia had set in and he could not remember which way the Saints were kicking. It was reported on AFL 360 that the coach was furious because he was the only player getting a kick and did not care if went the wrong way. The Dees and Saints games have been moved from Fox Footy to the comedy channel and have out rated reruns of Benny Hill.

The young kids are tired and when kids get tired they lose concentration. Most of our young players would fail 'sandpit' at Kinder garden at the moment. The problem is AFL is so intense you can't drop off a tiny fraction. No 2 way running, confusion when in possession, poor kicking and hand passing. That is why Roos wants a mid with a couple of preseasons under his belt. I just want this season to stop!!!!! All the above and compared to other clubs we have had a reasonable run with injuries. Trengove and Hogan to come back in should help a lot providing another couple of key players do not fall off the back of the truck with injury.

The young kids are tired and when kids get tired they lose concentration. Most of our young players would fail 'sandpit' at Kinder garden at the moment. The problem is AFL is so intense you can't drop off a tiny fraction. No 2 way running, confusion when in possession, poor kicking and hand passing. That is why Roos wants a mid with a couple of preseasons under his belt. I just want this season to stop!!!!! All the above and compared to other clubs we have had a reasonable run with injuries. Trengove and Hogan to come back in should help a lot providing another couple of key players do not fall off the back of the truck with injury.

If the Swans will not talk seriously about a 2 for one trade we should nominate Heeney at our number 2 pick. The Swans will pick him up at 18 but at least we can say we ranked him at pick 2 and where is the draft equality.

The problem is while Father/son and academies exist the draft will never be equal in any case. The AFL says its ok to get players on the cheap via those venues but no PP to poorly performing clubs. It does not add up. The Cats won premierships via F/S and Hawks and Magpies via PP's. The Saints almost pinched one through PP'S. If the AFL was serious about an equal draft it would get rid of the F/S rule and fund Academies so players could be available on an equal basis. We could get really screwed this draft especially if we get a second rounder for Frawley. Ironically the Academy system could help us this year in that the Swans may wish to deal for our pick 2 given that they will get an elite mid this draft and 2 in 2015. Tom Mitchell cannot get a game!!!! With the early picks even and so strong GWS may also wish to do another 2 for one deal. Problem here is the Saints may compete with these clubs to deal.

Evans said it was less likely rather than likely that we get a PP. Yet the AFL allow quasi PP's in Academies and father/son. It seems a little odd that a team that wins only 9 games in 3 seasons cannot get a leg up when the Swans get a top 3 pick this year (Heeney) and next year (Mills) as well as a top 10 next year (Dunkley) on the cheap. It seems there will never be another PP given for poor performance. Wish we had an Academy!!!!

A draft analysis showed that the worst drafts were 2003 and 2009. Howz that for bad luck!!! It has to all turn and soon!!

We should get a PP after 1st round pick - no question about. Hawks set up an era with a PP and some good drafting. The magpies in 2005 thanks to a PP got 2 very good mids and later a premiership. The Saints almost got there with a PP and other good drafting. Geelong got there on the back of father sons - and other good drafting. Swans (although Academy helps), Freo just good drafting in general. Basically assistance of some sort is a common thread for most top teams. So why not the Dees?????? If you look at the top teams and look back through the drafts you can see they all had at least 2 drafts where everything turned to gold which set them up going forward!!!! A little luck needed as well.