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Laughable. Absolutely Laughable. Unless something has changed since I last watched him (8 weeks) as well as spoke to him, he is a lean, slightly built player. Doesn't matter if he is 5 foot or 6 foot, he is not hardened, never has been and never will be.

Was it raining at the ground? Looked like it was on TV. Not sure if that may have had an impact on the watchability of it.

Honestly how can you compare the Era of Bailey opposed to the current Era? It's just bizarre. Should we not play any players until they are 22 and have 70 vfl games? Would that please you?

Did you watch it ?

Dion Prestia would have been handy

Going to hurt our 100 point average that's for sure.

Can anyone recommend a good place for Tony Shaw to take Josh Kennedy out on a date? #fawning

They do, but they also have about 6 all Australians in their team. That experience has been telling today.

I dispute that. We have had a red hot go yet again, but been outclassed

If it wasn't McVeigh who was mopping up it would be jack, or parker, or Kennedy. I understand what you're saying, I just don't think Grimes comes in and makes a difference in this game or others.

Look nice think the game has been umpires well and it's been even, but why csn Sydney throw the ball and get away with it so consistently?

Maybe. We have several players who could but haven't though.

That's a great goal boys! Let's get the next one. Kent getting involved, watts has been busier. Turning it around.

Well he is more at risk of pneumonia than getting a touch today with the role he is playing.

OK, if we are going to argue over that wording. At times his kicking hits targets and at times looks great. Sometimes he misses. As I said, at times.

Look I love Grimes, ripper bloke. I'm about 191cm so maybe I'm being harsh. But if you think he would come in today and make a significant difference in the conditions, then yes we shall agree to differ. He isn't a "big" 187cm, hardened body, he's never been a great contested player. If he was, he would have been picked in any of our previous 12 games prior to today

Let's be honest, Grimes and Michie would make no difference. As much as people want to whinge and complain, we are playing pretty well, Sydney are just playing better. I'd love to see us push hogan higher and leave Vandenberg deeper as a target. He may not be a typical full forward but he isn't having a lot of impact up the ground. Perhaps we can use him deeper and use hogan and Dawes our targets 50-80 from goal

Love it

Nah, disagree. We completely outplayed them. They were a team that didn't make the finals and weren't that good, but we played a good game that day and they had nothing. I'm not saying they don't deserve to be top, I'm saying they are not that great as opposed to other years. No one in the league is that scary this year. Even today is a winnable game ,Sydney have lost a few times this year when confronted with strong pressure.

I know you're a fairly astute poster and I'd imagine you get to see your fair share of games and players. Yet in what world is Grimes an experienced hardened body? I stood next to him while talking to another player at the Brisbane match, and I'm absolutely shocked at how small he is. This other player is no monster either, but grimes made even he look bigger. The 2 flaws in Grimes that have been around for eternity, his disposal, and his strength over the ball. His competitiveness surely can't be question, but his lack of strength in the contest does. If Good guys were given games, Grimes would go down a 300 gamer. I do hope he gets a chance soon to reward his vfl form, but I don't agree he is a hardened body.

Have you a source for this? Because I've heard it was the opposite. And I've also heard there has been a counter offer that is now in the club's hands. That deal, from what I've heard, was very likely to be filled in the next few weeks. My mail has been for over a month that it will be done and a dual announcement with both Macdonalds to be announced around or shortly after the bye.

Were we the only team there that didn't have 3 players listed with a positive?? For what it's worth, I don't think Tom is a horrible kick all the time. I think he is an outstanding kick at times, but he has those absolute brain fart moments where he tries to do the impossible and it looks disastrous. The first quarter of the essendon game is one I'll never forget, waltzing out of the back 50 and switching, only to miss kick to I think merrett who walked in to a goal. But he also has moments where he lace out hits blokes pushing up on a wing. He's still a reasonably young defender, playing a new role this season. His last month has been very solid. I think like numerous players on our team, they are still coming to terms with what's asked of them, or how to implement what's asked of them. Tom would be a disaster to lose, replacing him with hurley or similar would still create problems as hurley would need to learn the role, as well as being surrounded by young inexperienced defenders.

Parrot fence. Sorry- picket.

Why? Do you think we are incapable of beating them again? Honestly I just find these pessimistic posts absurd. For example, last week Jesse white and Mason Cox were going to destroy us. Look how that turned out. I just raise the question, do you think other teams look at us and question how to stop us? Thus far this year, we have max gawn giving first ride to a midfield who leads the comp in clearances, we also follow up secondary stoppages with clearances ahead of any team. We win ball on the inside with the best of them and possess a forward line that not only has a multi pronged line up, but kicks more accurate than any other team. I'm obviously not saying we will beat geelong, but they are hardly the same team who won everything in the years bomber coached, only 13 days ago carlton destroyed them. This whole "well we won't beat them" mentality is a load of tripe, we finally have enough weapons that we can match any team, especially in a year with no absolute stand outs such as 2016

Yep absolutely agree. Considering we would be paying him in only cans recyclable in south Australia, I think he is worth the place on the list. This time last year there were massive questions on gawn, and 12 months later he is arguably the best ruckman in the game. Who knows how Spence will continue to improve, but while that trajectory is up, I think he is great foil for gawny