Diamond_Jim

Agree..five years is 2 years too long given his form. Viney is likely to be a 5-10 ranked player at best. Hope he proves me wrong but I just can't see much upside and his present best is okay without being much more.

Agree and all the more important for the club to engage fans in innovative ways. Full crowds in Melbourne will be July/August at the earliest assuming a vaccine approved for use by January 1. WA still doesn't have full crowds and they have not had a case in Perth for literally months. Melbourne will never go virus free for 60 days or whatever the test is for full attendance before the vaccine. VFL could be a possibility given lower crowds but if it was the only "game in town" that creates its own problems. The big question is whether the AFL will hub interstate until say May and take it from there. One idea I liked (not sure if it worked) was by St Kilda who screened one of their games at a drive in. The AFL also needs to recognise that there are fans such as yourself who will be reluctant in 2021 to attend large scale events. Like we have no alcohol areas we may need strict social distancing areas where preference is given to older fans.

Because we perennially underperform and thus attract a minimum loyalty bonus. The chance of a premiership is worth 10-20% salary wise. Interstate clubs have a similar benefit when trying to recruit or retain players "native"to their state.

Interesting that there is no senior role for "fan engagement". Sure you can say its part of BD and membership but in reality after media rights money the next biggest source of income is the fans followed by sponsors. BD smacks of sponsorship and corporates whereas membership is administrative in the main I thought fans were badly treated in 2020 and were taken for granted as clubs raced for the TV rights money. Understandable but no business should take a core revenue stream for granted.

This discussion does raise the point that no one person should by virtue of their contract have the ability to frustrate the whole of the club's development. Whether Goodwin is the right coach or not is irrelevant if we are precluded from moving him on because of cost issues. The AFL has insisted that for those clubs under their funding control coaches should have a maximum pay out provision in their contracts of six months. If all clubs were to adopt this stance problem solved. Soft caps and limited budgets have made this a necessity

LH well argued but I would be concerned that your plan renders the coach too powerful. In fact the coach is already too powerful by virtue of contracts and pay levels (see Goodwin). I see the Football GM as a manager responsible for the medium to long term on field success of the club. It is the job of that person to put in place all the necessary systems to support on field success in the medium as well as the short term. Coaches are more concerned with short term success. Goodwin in 2021 is a perfect example. The dynamic between the GM and the coach is one area I think is evolving. I am not sure where the balance should be. Interesting debate to have and I would be glad to hear how this dynamic is managed in other professional sports starting with NRL and then looking overseas.

why would it be any better? Serious question 2020 we had no injuries and we had several wins under 10 points against lesser clubs. Not once did we beat a club that was better than us at the time except St Kilda and that was by a point. Membership drops by the biggest margin of any club. Chairman tells the players they are soft and the list goes on. We have a non performing forward who is in our top five paid players (T Mac), we have sold the farm for an ok at best backman (Lever) and we've thrown money at a journeyman such as Tomlinson. Sure we might luck a turn around but objectively the prognosis is not great with the present coach and gameplan.

I suggest a set of wireless earbuds programmed with every distractive noise you can think of. The aim is to completely zone out everything and kick. Can't do much harm. Plus study every ground and work out how far you can lead to the pocket before substantially reducing your accuracy. Let's face it he only needs to turn one of those behinds each week into a goal and he's a top ten goalkicker. Pity he can't practice at the MCG but we just have to be smarter with some of our training

When are clubs going to be forced to get a real alternative strip !! https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/cats-leave-jumper-clash-in-afl-s-court-20201004-p561wc.html Geelong has placed the ball squarely in the AFL's court over the prospect of a Cats-Collingwood final being marred by a uniform clash for the second straight year.

Excellent news....now for Luke J

Agree Saints remind me of the 1987/88 demons. Some very good players and lots of solid contributors many of them journeymen. Thinking back our bottom 6 in '87 were probably pretty solid.

Jealous is an understatement. A question for the experts...did the King twins play in the same under age sides as they grew up? Must have been interesting to see which one played full forward.

It's tough but no more travel. They now move to Brisbane and will stay there.

Waking up to the cold realisation that Pies could win the flag. Geelong... 50/50 Brisbane...why not Port or Richmond (slight underdogs) Pies were fortunate with their accuracy last night but there were few players who had a quiet night. Grundy, Pendlebury and De Goey.

Red Cordial comes to mind

Hipwood 92 games Weideman 44 games Weideman was better in 2020 but he needs to get a wriggle on.

From the Age.... Two regional Victorians who tried to enter Melbourne to go to a strip club which was not open have been fined by police. The men were stopped and fined at a checkpoint in the Macedon Ranges, after they entered a “Stage 4 restricted area to ‘attend a strip club’ only to arrive in Melbourne and realise no such premises were open”, a Victoria Police spokesman said. ?

Saints v Dogs The two teams most would pick as the weakest in the 8. (Perhaps Pies would give them a run). What luck to play each other. Dogs for mine by around 12 points with lots of behinds kicked by both teams

Cannot understand the excitement here. Have a read of Older Demons excellent post which explains that this is mainly about cutting 3 odd million from the coaching and support staff budget. It could have the consequence of causing a bit of a merry go round which could bring Yze to us but that would not be its main aim.

spin it Gil Outside the shopping mall-sized food, gaming and football facility of the Southport Sharks, Queensland's strongest local Australian rules football club, three teenage boys and a girl, dressed casually in Queensland-style with shorts and T-shirts, were unaware that the AFL had relocated to their corner of the country. "No, we don't know anything about it," said the girl. https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/does-queensland-care-about-the-afl-finals-20201002-p561cx.html reminds me of when I asked a group of young NT football players about what they thought of the MFC in NT. Who... they replied !!

Add Port in there as well. It's time for a change !!

He's been a non contributor for 2 seasons. You have a lot more faith than I do. TBH I doubt there's a place for him beyond next year if Luke J develops as we hope.

Maybe some other would take him at $300k in the hope of salvage but unfortunately I think we're stuck with him. If Viney gets 5 years........ grrrrrrrrrrr

If he was out of contract we all know what the answer would be. How to salvage value is the conundrum. My gut says trade with an offer to pay half salary and hope we can get a second rounder in return.

The first week of finals is probably my favourite week. Four quality games is just about perfect for the armchair fan especially when they are played in different States under different conditions.