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Jack T's non-trade means we won't get pick 12. Unless a similar pick can be found it puts paid to GNF's 2 elite player deal...so we may never know who they were...GNF's reputation remains in tact.

Zak Jones plays for the Swans If it is him it will more than 'blow our minds'. It will lessen our disappointment at potentially losing Jack T and Jack W! It would also guarantee our captain signing a new contract.

My guess: Zak Jones! The 'joey' in the pouch...our captain's 'little' bro? GNF said 2 players...the other one?

Thanks for the clarification. How close were the guesses for the source clubs?

Ok...if we are to play GNF's guessing games..which clubs need to upgrade their round 1 picks. 1. Hawks gave pick 19 for O'Rourke (their 1st live pick is therefore around 40). 2. GWS seem likely to give up up pick 4 for Griffen (their 1st live pick is therefore low 20's) 3. Brisb and Adel if they give up their respective picks 5 and 10. Adel more likely as they need some youngsters because of 2 yrs of draft bans. 4. Sydney, if the AFL trading ban on getting players in this year and next then they may want picks 5. bombers need picks and us DL don't want any of their players but our recruiters might. If one of GNF's players has not been mentioned before then I would guess the A grader is coming from the Hawkes!!! If I'm still guessing the other A grader is coming from GWS (maybe the 'downgraded' one if Plan A doesn't come off). GNF, if you have been muted and we figure it out you will be in big trouble with your source for giving away those initials. If the initials are just a redherring to confuse us DL's then we will mighty peeved as well!

Not only pillaged but they will have to let some go soon as they still have to accommodate Smith, #1 pick Whitfield and #2 pick Kelly and of course they still have HWSNBN running around. Unless some of those are converted to HF or HB players which I doubt...too talented...better GWS cash in now. Afterall that is the reason they stockpiled so many mids with early draft picks. I have my money on a trade with GWS for pick 3 and 12 +/-. As an aside, I have to chuckle about a pick 3 trade. As of late Thur afternoon the club announces it will go to draft with picks 2 and 3 and on Fri Trengove tours Tiger territory and all of sudden pick 3 +/- is potentially off to the tigers. Have to admire the poker face way the club is playing its cards!

Reminds me of when, after the Fed court hearing Little talked about going to the pollies to find a way to make it 'all go away' and ended up with much egg on face! WADA was relatively gentle against pollies in NRL commentary. I hope WADA would go ballistic if pollies interfered again. This would have to be a hot potato for Abbott (and Costello)!

Frawley always refused to even talk, Jones has entered negotiations. Much more encouraging. Will be relieved when its signed, sealed, delivered.

I'm with you. Its a bit hard to argue its a tigers suggestion. The club having said: '...all players are tradeable! pick 2 and 3 are on the table! bring us your offers...!' we can't then turnaround and say...'we haven't shopped x player around, its just that y club made us an offer'. Making all players and picks tradeable is effectively putting them up for sale!

We might hate Essendon (as we do most other AFL clubs) but we don't hate their supporters, especially those that have a soft spot for the Dees!

Dreaming...key 'midfielder' missing! A ruckman! Jamar is getting on and no else is yet ready to step up. We won't get to the 8 without an equally good ruckman in the 'midfield'!

Not only do I not want to see Jack go, I choke on the thought of letting Coll have 2 first round picks! 3 and 12 is vastly different to the Lions offer of 5 and 23! I just choke on the thought that Coll benefit so much from being bloody-minded in trading. Would almost rather it be any other team that benefits from 3 and 12! Beams isn't worth 2 first round picks in his own right...what's more he had his own injury problems - he was out in Aug when they thought he had done his PCL. Turned out he didn't but who knows if his injury problem will return. If it has to happen maybe 3 & 12 for Beams and Lumumba!!

Dammit WYL...do you ever have anything positive to say on this forum!!!

"...The Demons are aware he is a popular and loyal figure and remained coy about whether the deal would eventuate..." "We said after our last game to our playing list that we would look at all avenues to improve our list. Richmond came to us with a potential deal, Jack is aware of this and all parties will now take some time to consider our options," a Melbourne spokeperson said. So does this mean there is no super deal brewing? There is some hope he might not go... Back to my glass of red...

Great! This bombshell lands after COB and Roos is off to Hawaii apparently! Hope there is something on our website soon. Time for a red to drown my sorrow

This could really do Jack's head in: - stood by the club in dark days - made co cap too early - 'demoted' from co cap - taken out of leadership group when injured - has had 2 years of injuries - now reluctantly sent packing He is mentally a strong kid but crickey he is going to need a lot of mettle to deal with all the above.

Maybe its to help the Ryder deal get thru: An elite Port player to Dees for pick 3 and 12 and one of those Port sends on to Essendon (with their) 17 for Ryder. Or something similar to help get the Beams deal thru altho I can't think of anyone I would want from the pies.

Jack needs a fair run at proving what he can do - without captaincy, without injury!! Please keep him Roosy!

Noooo Way! Roos has said he doesn't want more than a few kids in the draft so why would he want another pick!! Give up an experienced player for another 'kid'. You would think we have enough trade power with 2 and 3 to get an experienced player. Can't see any logic to it all!

Sounds like Lions did not blink re Beams. Stuck to offer of 5 and 25 (the latter would get Greenwood to Pies). No word from Pies. Effectively pick 5 and Greenwood for Beams. Sounds fair. Just hope it does not make Coll more stubborn and go even harder in our trade for Lumumba and try to get a pick fro Greenwood. Hope we hold our nerve like the Lions did and not pay overs for HL

Thanks Pennant St Dee!

Hey there Chook. It seems like the west is unbelievably quiet on the trade front. As you are from Perth, have you heard anything? Are they playing possum just waiting to pounce or are they all on holidays? Its been so quiet I wondered whether our 'next stop' might be WA to offload pick 2 or 3 for one of those superstar mids at dockers/eagles...afterall Ross is absolutely desparate for a forward. Would be happy to take one of his lads or two with a pick or two thrown in...any chance?

The 'Peter Principle' lives on!!

Geelong probably will have and they still haven't come to the table over Mitch. How we used those picks would be another story...one would go for Lumumba.

Quite right. Over a 2/3 year period we got picks 1 then 1 and 2 but lost Junior, Bruce and Green in less than happy circumstances. Leaving us to appoint kids as captains. We are still recovering from the cumulative affect of those. Doggies are now where we were 3/4 years ago. They are heading down, thankfully we are heading up.