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I'm very confident Jesse will be a star for us. But couldn't help but notice how sweet the set routine for goal from Moore and McCartin this weekend. Flawless and effective.

He doesn't count. Was never deserving of #11.

I just love that Max once wore Jimmy's 37 and I can't imagine how proud he would be to now see Max running around in his #11. Given the reverence Max shows the jumper in his pre-game routine he 'gets' it. I have a special affection for #11 as it was Jimmy's number: In our darkest days we had no sponsors and the club put the 'Reach' logo on the front of our jumper. Not being a fan of corporate logos but happy to support Jimmy's charity, I bought one of them and had #11 put on the back. It is still in the wardrobe with tags, unworn. Jimmy died about that time and I 'retired' it. Two years ago the old boys of the 1964 premiership team had a reunion luncheon at the Bentleigh Club and about 14 of them signed the Red V on that jumper. My dream is to also get the signatures of our next premiership team on that jumper. I hope to leave it to my niece for her to leave to MFC. I think it will be a rare and special piece of memorabilia for the club. So much of our last 50+ years of how highs and lows would be writ large on that jumper.

Thanks guys, explains why I can't find one - will stop looking. Edit: Thanks also 'Red and Bluebeard'

Thanks for the picture dc. I have a special reason for wanting the #11 so I will keep searching Gee Max looked so young! And skinny!! No idea what happened to post #258...lost in cyperspace It had some Max pictures but it looks like the editor didn't like them.

On a side note does anyone have a picture of Jim Stynes presenting Max with his # 11 jumper. Have scoured the net but no luck. Would really like a copy if it could be posted here or p m to me would be great. Cheers.

Perhaps his contract is playing on his mind. He hasn't kicked a goal in his last 3 games and his conversion rate has dropped and is well outside the top 50. As an aside does anyone else think Jesse is overweight? The club 'Heartbeat' magazine has him listed as 104kg...quite heavy for his height especially when compared to other forwards. The 2015 'Heartbeat' had him @ 101kg. Maybe he just needs to get fitter, sort out his set shot routine and sign his contract

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-match-report/port-adelaide-v-melbourne-demons-keep-slim-finals-hopes-alive-with-win-over-power-20160813-gqrxv7.html How long have we waited to hear/see these words about our club: "After stunning Hawthorn the previous week, they were under pressure to at long last show some consistency, and to win again in a hostile environment proves they really deserve respect" R E S P E C T Can't be bought, must be earnt. And we are; more to do but no turning back now! We are on the verge of ending opposition supporter's pity...to be replaced by their envy!!

Good sport! In the votes this week!! I have bookmarked this thread and started looking for your new avatar...the day when you will need it is coming faster than I thought!

Yes, it seems like there is a mutiny of sorts. With Ballantyne considering a transfer to any club even the arch enemy, Eagles it sounds serious. Pavlich was probably the glue that held players together. Lose him and the cracks start to appear. Add Ross's (reported) iron fisted style and trouble brews. Lyons is not a 'rebuild' coach, nor is he a developer of people (eg assistant coaches). Many people think they will do a 'Phoenix' like the Eagles and Pies, instead they may be wallowing at the bottom of the ladder for a while. Ross is talking up their new $100m sporting facility and cashed up sponsors but they don't mean much if players don't play for their coach. Fyfe is pretty smart he may have just seen the writing on the wall!

There always seems to be confusion on rules eg Future Picks, Academy/Father Son picks, Draft Points etc so thought we could put it all in one place. To start the ball rolling here is an AFL article about Future Pick rules: http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-08-12/future-pick-the-trading-rules-explained There is a bit of discussion in it about MFC position as we traded our 2017 pick last year. Because we had two first round picks last year we are not disadvantage re the 'having at least 2 first round picks in 4 years' rule. Quite different to clubs who traded their 2017 1st round pick for a player. In practice it may not make much difference but it is an important distinction. Edit: Mods - is it worth 'pinning' this thread so it upfront for posters to refer to? Saves other threads getting bogged down with the rules...on second thoughts that will happen anyway...

Increasingly I am sensing that after the Geelong game Roos will not be with us at all. After the bye he said he and PJ had chatted about what the future held and decided to focus on the rest of the year. Earlier this week he said he is no longer involved with list management meetings. Then in this article http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-08-11/roos-lauds-2016-as-a-success "Roos reiterated that he wouldn’t get involved in any post-season off-field trades, unless asked...“From my point-of-view, I’ve bowed out of all of those discussions...“I’m looking forward to the three weeks and [I’m] really excited about where the club’s heading and [I’m] excited about Goody (Simon Goodwin) taking over and the coaching group that’s been assembled...“I’m equally excited about riding off into the sunset.” Am happy that PJ may think the club is solid and mature enough to have no role for him at the club. But I am incredibly sad that in a few weeks he will be gone. I just hope someone finds a fitting way (in addition to the team winning) to farewell him at his last game in Geelong where opp teams get about 1% of the tickets so we supporters won't be able to do anything there or be part of it.

Posturing by Diodoro! Nonetheless the AFL, player managers and players want a 'fuss free' transfer of players. PR, AFL image, manager commissions, player contract $ will win the day. (BTW Paul Connors is manager for Hurley, Hibberd, Melksham and Ryder.) Let's face it no-one really cares about the destination club. From that article I reckon a deal has been done where the AFL and Connors have agreed to not go for the DFA/Grievance process but EFC had to agree to accept 'reasonable trades' and not drag it out like they did Ryder. The AFL does not want that stalemate again so will be pulling the strings in the background to get the trades done. EFC don't hold any key cards and they know it! I would like our club to play hardball with Hibberd but our round 2 pick (26 to 30) is probably a fair deal. Would rather give that up than one of our budding youngsters.

Weideman may not play - Roos views: "...Weideman would be monitored after copping a corkie on debut...He got that corkie in the first quarter, so he was a bit sore at training [on Wednesday], so we’ll need to make sure [he’s OK] because you don’t want to take any risks with young players.” Would be a shame if he didn't play but Pedo played well so could stay in and give Weideman the chance to be raring to go at the MCG vs Carlton the following week. Did anyone see how he got the corkie? Did Mitchell or one of the snipers put their knee into him? Mitchell has a habit of doing that!

The likely basis for contracts: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/aflpa-not-happy-with-1011-per-cent-offer-to-players/news-story/f29e3bbff423f052356dbf05e939c6ae "Total player payments per club this year are $10.37 million, not including additional services per club of $1.022m. The average AFL player wage last year was about $300,000". That means the salary cap incl (ASA's) will be in the around $12.5m per club (which the AFL will fund) Clubs were informed this in the last few weeks. The new average appears to be around $330k-$350k. . Sounds like the AFL is playing hard ball with AFLPA demands: "The union still haven’t got to first base on their initial three phases of the pay talks. The league have not agreed to the principle of paying players a percentage share, nor has the AFL identified what revenues might be excluded such as government grants. And it certainly has not entertained an exact percentage number, which has yet to be provided by the AFLPA". Marsh put back in his place by the look of it! After all, the AFLPA is owned by the AFL!

Mahoney was just interviewed on SEN and said the club wanted more than 2 years with Tom. The club is confident we will improve further over the next few years and then they look at it again. (paraphrasing). While the 2 years coincides with his FA it doesn't worry me too much as the 2 years may have been the only way to bridge the (reported) gap in $$$. eg "Tom, take our offer of what we think you are worth now and if you really perform over the next few years we will up the $$" type of conversation. ie the compromise is the club gives up years on the contract and Tom gives up $$. Tom backs himself in to improve and signs up! Good on him - it shows he is committed to getting better and has a real incentive to improve.

Having looked at some of the draft predictions there are only a couple of tall forward types in the top 20. While technically we don't have a 2017 1st rnd pick, I think of Weideman as that pick - its just that we got him a year early and as a 'bonus' he has a year of development under his belt. Had we not traded the pick out we would be scrambling like everyone else to find a KPF to line up with Jesse. The trade out of the 2017 pick was a brilliant move by our team!! Obviously, they knew we wouldn't draft a player like Weideman this year! So I'm not at all fussed that we don't have a 1st rnd. I always enjoy draft/trade period and am again looking forward to see what creative maneuverings our team can conjure up!

Here is the list of 2016 FA's http://www.afl.com.au/trade/free-agency No-one there who would draw a 1st rnd comp pick. However, Freo or Richmond may get an early 2nd rnd which would be in the range of pick 20 to 25. Freo traded out their 2nd rnd pick (#21) but I would imagine if they do get a 2nd rnd FA comp pick it would still be pick 22? I wonder if the AFL has thought that thru? Make it up on the run, I guess. Not entirely sure, I don't think the Academy (and Father/son) player picks (under the new 'draft points' system ) affect the draft order per se - they dilute the 'quality' of player(s) available to the following bidder(s).

Really? With your moniker I thought you would already have one...

Is it my love of everything to do with the Demons or should Oscar get a Rising Star nomination. Pretty difficult as a defender, I guess. But he has had a terrific year compared to some of the mid-fielders being nominated. Would top off the year very nicely for him!

As rfpc hasn't logged on for a while, thought I might update the contract status If anyone can see errors please let me know. (not sure about Garlett and Kent in particular) Wouldn't mind if we saw some 2017 OOC players wrapped up this year eg Tyson, Stretch, Salem and of course Jesse!

Now Official! http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-08-10/two-big-macs-order-a-couple-more

Jay Clark Verified account ‏@ClarkyHeraldSun Big news @melbournefc McDonald brothers re-sign Exclusive here Fabulous news. Can the week get any better than this!! Edit: to answer my own question - yes Jesse could sign but for now I'm happy to have the two Macs signed up

Jay Clark Verified account ‏@ClarkyHeraldSun Bi g news @melbournefc McDonald brothers re-sign Exclusive here They look very happy...well done guys!