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I take that as a complement, good sir.

You mean bragging rights on first post? Maybe 'great minds think alike' but my tongue in cheek Hogan to GC post went up in the Hogan thread an hour or two before your extrapolation of it in the May thread. Happy to share bragging rights! ?

It looks like pick 62 will be the 'hot potato' this year: #62. Melbourne (received from North Melbourne as part of trade for Braydon Preuss; received from Sydney for Ryan Clarke; received from Geelong for Gary Rohan; originally received from Brisbane as part of trade for Lincoln McCarthy) Already changed hands four times!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-live-updates-day-5-trade-period-live-chat-and-blog/news-story/e0becc051b15f8b22a343954bcb94288 "Wantaway star Lachie Neale met with new Fremantle footy boss Peter Bell on Wednesday - the first meeting between the pair. ...Bell believed he could convince Neale to stay at the club, but he failed to do so with the midfielder remaining “adamant” he wants to head to Brisbane. “It was Peter Bell’s belief that he was going to be able to get him to turn around and say ‘yep, I’ll stay at Fremantle’,” Bell is living in another universe. Well, I guess he won't get the 'feather in his cap' he was bragging about! Good on Neale for sticking to his guns. If he had had thoughts of staying, the shenanigans by Bell this week would have convinced him to keep running as fast as he can!

Agreed! Why on earth would Syd throw in pick 28. Hannebery for #39 and Saints future 2nd round pick seems a very fair deal!!

I nearly posted a hypothetical May trade (getting pick 2 or 3 back) with the tongue in cheek comment but figured you would all think I was insane to even suggest it. ... if Jessie does go to CGS can I claim bragging rights on DL for putting it out there first ?

If people are critical of the Kent pick well Hannebery's doesn't look much better: Sydney get St Kilda's 2019 second round pick and pick 39 in 2018. St Kilda receive Hannebery and and pick 28 in 2018. Sydney are effectively letting him go for pick 39 (second round picks roughly net out). The Hickey deal wasn't much better and the Rohan deal was similar to Kent's. We have nothing to complain about. Its a sign of the times that better clubs will trade to improve their list not to win minor trade battles. That is what we have done. Hawkes are doing similar to get Wingard. Freo should take notice which is more important.

Good Lord! I posted the Hogan to GCS as a joke and some here have run with it! GCS would jump at the chance as would most clubs. And sure it would be easy to get a great deal from GCS involving May (and one of their juicy top end picks) but can anyone really see Jessie going up there!! There is fantasy and then there is beyond fantasy. But if Jessie stays next year will be a whole different story. Clubs will be lining up to get him and it will cost Freo a lot more to nab him. They will regret if they don't do a fair deal now!!

My comment was very tongue in cheek!! I think there are lots of permutations. Going right into fantasy land - various clubs need an ageing key forward: WCE, Geelong, Hawks, Sydney etc. Just about every club in the league would want Jessie. They must all be laughing their heads off at what Freo are doing! So, if Jessie was happy to live in Melbourne I'm sure deals could be done. But this is all fantasy, for this year at least. Next year, who knows!

So they could low ball the Hogan trade with '...sorry, we don't have a top 10 pick...' and if we agree to their low ball trade or variation thereof, 5 minutes later turn around and accept pick 5 for Neale and keep it for themselves. ...and they traded out next year's 3rd round pick so they can say '...sorry, the rules forbid trading out a future 1st round pick and a later future pick...' and be unwilling to use the tools available that might get the future 1st round pick back into play. They are playing dirty pool!

I hear GCS need a replacement forward...?

Hawthorn know how to get a deal done! Hawthorn did not appear well placed to satisfy Port in a trade for the dual All Australian given its first pick in this year's NAB AFL Draft doesn't fall until No.15. However, it's understood Port inquired about Burton's availability and the Hawks are prepared to include him in the deal. Freo should take a leaf out of their book. Just get the deal done. No fanfare, no grandstanding, no fuss! As an aside - seems another deal symbolic of the new order: 'if player not committed, trade them out the year before they become FA's!' Clubs taking back some control.

Yep, trade out one of their better GF players and get a higher 1st round pick. GCS looking for a top 5 pick because they thought we could get it. If we can't they look at the next best offer for May.

Right now we have less currency than his other suitors. My point was that the Hogan deal being further delayed may have May starting to look elsewhere and his other suitors banging on his door!

They would sell the farm to get May.

But is it better than Collingwood's plan A? May was bound for the Pies just a few weeks ago. Reckon they see their chance to sneak in the side door and get him.

So Freo have now thrown 3 players into limbo: Neale, Hogan, May. I wonder how long May will wait before he makes his next move: sign at GC or look elsewhere. Practically, its tough for him to keep hanging on. Eddie or Ned Guy probably picked up the phone to call him as soon as they saw the stupid Freo offer.

Everyone very quiet on the Beams front... Maybe Lions have decided that now they have Neale, Beams isn't so important, will leave in a year or two anyway, so trade him out whilst there is interest and can get a good trade value. It might be a case of 'careful what you wish for' on Beams' part!

True, but given the mess Freo are in this year from trading out 2018 picks last year and the state of their list, it would be almost negligent of the AFL to let Freo trade out their 2019 1st and 3rd.

That means they won't be trading their 2019 1st round pick to us (or anyone else) as the Future Pick Trading rules prohibit the trading of future 1st and future later picks. Hopefully we get the Neale pick #5 and #11!! Otherwise the Hogan deal starts looking awful!!

If Beams wants to reneg on his club and reneg on his emotional bnf committment to his teammates, he should do the right thing and accept a trade to a Melb club not insist on Collingwood. There are 10 clubs here. Wants to come home. OK, go where he and his club get a decent deal rather than one (Coll) which has little trade currency and could stuff the Lions. Lions should play hard ball and say 'we will trade you but to a club that gives us the best deal' as GCS have done with May. To do otherwise is very shallow and casts serious doubts on his claim to trade to come back for personal/family reasons.

Yes, complicated. How to do the Lobb trade is a real dilemma for them and could also be a reason why the Hogan trade is stalling. Having reflected on the option I posed last night (Hogan for Freo 2018 pick #5 and a swap of 2019 first round picks) Freo could then give our 2019 1st round pick (15 to 18) to GWS for Lobb. Overall its a good deal for Freo. They get Hogan and Lobb for Neal and their 2019 1st round pick. They keep 2018 pick #6 (Neale pick) to take to this years draft. All clubs get on with life and get other trades done!

The SA club swill be knocking Mahoney's door down to get it. Crows have picks 8, 13, 16 and 20. I reckon they would give up 8 with 13 or 16. We give 8 to GCS for May. Deal done!! Net result we keep 13 or 16 and pocket Freo's 1st round 2019 pick!! Happy days!!

Yes, I have also been advocating for quite a while that #5 and a mid first round pick to get the job done. But I think that is a little different to what I proposed above, albeit the results have similarities. My suggestion of a swap of 2019 first round picks leaves Freo with something substantial (our 2019 1st pick) rather than just coughing up #5 and a mid 1st round.

I would be surprised and that is the worst case scenario. An option (I'm being a bit creative): pick 5 2018 a swap of 2019 first round picks. Hopefully, in 2019 that converts to us receiving pick 5/6/7 and give up pick 17/18. ie a significant 2019 first round upgrade for us. To me that is a good compromise between Freo's 2019 1st round pick or a second round pick.