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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl Essendon's financial offer to Shiel was signficantly lower than the other three clubs and he will be paid well under $1 million dollars next year. Really! I get why players like Dusty and Gaff forfeit really big bucks to stay at a club they love and are loved by all there. And, I get why Shiel would spurn the advances and big bucks from Saints and Blues - clubs doing poorly whose coaches may not be there too much longer. But to choose Ess and a lot less money over premiership candidate Hawks is beyond me! Ess must have their own stash of brown paper bags!!!!

Yet the media think Jesse is worth only one top 10 pick!! Complete idiots!! Getting a bit tired of 'media' undervaluing our players and (in a relative trade sense) overvaluing those of other clubs! I know I shouldn't pay any attention but they tended to set the narrative and it is painful!

A fine legacy Brad Lloyd left with Freo! Signed Mundy, Bennell and Ballantyne to one year deals and committed to similar for Sandiland in mid August - at about the time he announced he was leaving for Carlton. Those 4 would tie up at least $ .750m of their 2019 sal cap - good money that could toward Lobb and/or Hogan. None of those guys were going anywhere but retirement. Someone at Freo took their eye off the ball. Why on earth sign them up in mid August rather than wait till after the trade period. Peter Bell must be tearing his hair out trying to right that ship.

Suns still seem keen to get him http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-wrap-hogan-inching-towards-dockers-deal I hope Dom gets a trade he is happy with. He really got his act together after playing for Casey and it was almost miraculous and courageous how he played barely a week after surgery to his fractured arm.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-wrap-hogan-inching-towards-dockers-deal Summary of the points re Hogan: Dockers cooling partly because of Lobb's arrival and partly the Demons are demanding two early first-round picks. the spearhead's recovery from a navicular injury among the pressing issues it has to address. There is still a chance Hogan could remain at Melbourne, but it appears far more likely he will be in the Dockers' purple and white next season. Hogan is unlikely to officially request a trade to Fremantle in the next day or so, but it's understood progress is being made behind the scenes that is inching him closer to that point. But, as they consider such a blockbuster trade, the Dockers won't be rushed. My read is he will be a Docker next year but we wait a few days to hear an official trade request. As an aside, in case anyone missed it @Mach5reported in the AVB thread that we may trade him and 2nd/3rd round picks to Sydney for pick 12. Could come in very handy in a trade to GCS so we can break the nexus between the Hogan and May deal.

That was my first thought when I asked Chook who he was worried about slandering.

It makes sense to Geelong if they had to use a higher pick than 43 to draft Nathan Kreuger, a 19yo, tall swingman playing in the SANFL. Highly likely Crows or Port had their sights on him with a higher pick. To me this is against the spirit of the concessions: for GCS and Carlton to top up with experienced players before other clubs can draft them. GCS is doing just that. Carlton is cashing in the players for picks. The beneficiary in this case is Geelong who get a player on the cheap before anyone else gets a chance.

Very clever footwork if you ask me! Is it my imagination or are the media talking down the trade value of our players out (Kent #72, Hogan one 1st round) all the while talking up the value of other player trades eg Tim Kelly top 10 pick. Lobbe a high 1st round pick etc etc.

Pick 12 + sweetener to GCS for May? Not what they have been carrying on about but better than other suitors can offer! As an aside, if we were able to do that deal for May, it would strengthen our hand a little in the Hogan trade. Freo think we are desperate for May and that we will cave on Hogan to get May deal done. Do the May deal and Freo start to sweat a bit more!! That will be fun to watch.

Slander of a Freo person or slander of Jesse?

Is this guess work, wishful thinking or from some knowledge - don't need sources just to know how much confidence to gain from it.

GCS starting to put pressure on May to make a decision. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-too-hard-to-do-if-may-delays-any-longer I wonder whether the waiting for the Neale/Hogan deal will prompt him to reconsider his other suitors or see out his contract.

I bet they didn't expect this: "...the AFL moved this week to advise Carlton that the cost of the charter flight to fly Dylan Shiel to Noosa had to be included in the soft cap or football department spend...even if it was a donation". https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/gaff-to-stay-at-west-coast-after-turning-down-north-offer-20181007-p5088y.html Ha!Ha! Small pennies but it is good to see the AFL take some action.

Not directly about Gaff but Eagles thinking of matching Port's FA offer for Lycett. Possibly, just a ploy to force Port into a trade. Smart thinking by Eagles; Lycett stays or they get a decent pick they can then use as part of a Kelly trade or to trade in another ruckman.

This is the google search results for a story on Jesse's dockers visit. Lachie Neale has requested a trade to Brisbane, AFL trade news 2018 ... https://www.heraldsun.com.au/...is.../cc1bca44ef5be7340afd68c48b5c35db 23 hours ago - Neale, 25, also won in 2016 and was runner-up last season. The inside ... Rosich also said specialists were still assessing Hogan's foot injury I can't get behind the paywall so others may report more detail. Or perhaps a Perth newspaper has the same transcript.

Mahoney just said our preference is for Aaron to stay and they talked over the weekend and that Aaron is torn between the club and his family. Really hope he stays.

Maybe Port are trying to bait St Kilda into giving up pick #4 to get one of the prized SA draftees!!!

Um, each page has 25 posts, regardless of size. Still, a valiant effort on your part!

Funny you should say that. McGovern signed up as a Sales Director for a building company a few weeks before he re-signed with the Eagles. According to its website, said building company is only two years old and doesn't have a lot of projects - one being building an investment project for Jack Redden. If you want to know more Google is your friend.

Ok. Ok. My bad. I phrased it badly and made it worse when trying to clarify. Was just trying to say he may not be rated as highly by Freo relative to Neale for a variety of reasons. I botched it. By no means was any offence intended. Apologies.

Are you sure it was Jesse's actual account? His last post was 9 weeks ago https://www.instagram.com/jessebhogan/ BTW - has anyone who follows him seen '01' on his account in the past? He did a medical at Freo on Thursday. Unlikely to do that if he was coming back. Mahoney said they expected to hear from Jesse through his manager again indicating that he was unlikely to be back in Melbourne at this time.

I was comparing circumstances over the last two years (tragic loss of father, extended injury, away from family) and the respective resilience and grit shown. The comparison was in the context of question marks on Jesse (raised by many in this thread) possibly causing Freo to put a lower value on him than Neale. My post had nothing to do with media shenanigans at airports or anywhere else! As an aside, Mfc have kept Jesse out of the media for the last two years and rightly so.

I can see Freo using the Neale deal as the basis for a Hogan deal. Neale: consistent and outstanding bnf record (2 firsts, 1 runner up), 3 X AA squad, 25yo, probably top two mvp at Freo, proven gun . Hogan: Rising star, leading MFC goalkicker, potential Coleman medallist, potential gun, potential bust if he doesn't get his mojo sorted. I can't help but compare how Aaron Vandenberg has conducted himself in not too dissimilar circumstances as Jesse. Aaron has overcome incredible adversity to get the most from himself. Not sure Jesse has the grit to get the most from himself. And therein is where his trade value drops. Albeit set back by injury and tragedy there are enough question marks on Hogan for Freo to value him below Neale in trade value. I reckon the better the deal Freo get for Neale the better the deal we get for Hogan. Pple should prepare for us not getting what fans think he is worth.

On Trade Radio, Mahoney said: “Through his management he’ll come back to us before the trade period starts on Monday.” So in the next 24 hrs we should know. Neale won Freo's bnf last night and didn't indicate what he would do. Edit: Perth newspapers reporting Neale has officially asked to be traded to Lions. Dominoes now set to fall!

Yep, pick 2-5 are needed for those guys! 'Enter the Dragon', you and I agree on that. The question was will it be GCS who pick them or will they trade out of pick 2 or 3 if they are going to pass on the SA lads. If they trade out of both they could have pick 7, 9, 10 and 15 from Adel and Port and then add pick 5 for May. No point GCS taking future stars if they leave after two years!