Lucifers Hero

He still loves Jessie. ? The video of him hearing the sad news is in this link How many kids going this. I am especially thinking of the little guy in the pic below who is the son of @markc Hope your little fella and family find a new demon hero.

It was mentioned somewhere that Carlton tried to get him during this year for a similar job. Being a smart fellow, he turned them down but that was when there was much talk that he was a serious contender to replace Jackson. Hopefully, he and Pert become good mates. But he is such a good operator, for his career development he will move on at some stage. Hopefully, not before we deliver a premiership or two.

State of play post trades. May is on a 5 year contract and I have 3 year contracts for Preuss and Kolodjashnij but not sure if the latter are correct. Advice to confirm contract length would be appreciated. Given our first pick before the draft (post comp picks) was #36 to now have #23 and #28 and rebalance our team is a terrific result. Overall List: Current list size = 33. Minimum list size = 38. Maximum list size: 40 (plus Rookies) To reach the minimum of 38 we need to add at least 5 players. Hard to see us using picks #91 or #105 so would have to assume that either/both Keilty and T. Smith get promoted to senior list or we recruit a delisted player or two. Also, Mahoney mentioned that while happy with our draft holding it may change before the draft. Watch this space!

It seems that trading of picks continues for a month: Friday, 16 November 2pm: NAB AFL Trade Period closes (for exchange of selections only). Can't find anywhere that future picks are excluded so I would assume they can be traded as officially we are still in the trade window. However, I'm assuming future picks cannot be traded during Live Pick Trading at the Draft. But who knows...

Callous by Scott. How different is that to how other teams handled requests for trade. Helped the player and did a fair trade rather than dig their heals in and keep asking for more. They haven't improved their team much during the trade, their best are getting older so maybe karma will keep them paddling around in the middle of the ladder!

Poor form by Scott. But in character! Apparently Kelly is on draftee wages - not much at anytime let alone for a family of 5. WCE offered him a decent package. I don't recall the figure but the AFL average is around $350K. Hardly 'a Scully' if he went to WCE for somewhere around the average. It would behove Geelong to look after Kelly financially and revisit the $ in his contract for next year - after all he did come 2nd in their b n f and got them to finals.

Quite the opposite: "Jesse Hogan has taken a significant pay cut to get back to his family in Perth and play for Fremantle". https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hogan-accepts-pay-cut-to-join-fremantle-as-stars-switch-clubs-20181017-p50aa2.html It makes his decision to go to Freo even more baffling: leaves a team on the brink of success for one at the bottom, takes only a three year deal and a pay cut. Baffling. Its no wonder we weren't able to get a better trade deal - much easier to get top picks if player is on a long-term multi $m deal. Mahoney did a great job getting the deal he did.

Clearly Brad Green is still smarting from HWSNBN's defection:

Heartfelt and classy. Well done, Jesse. As an aside it seems Jesse demanding an 8 year contract was rubbish. He signed for three!

The overall picture is: We have 7 senior list vacancies and 7 pics if we need them. We won't need them if we run with less than 40 players on our list or we take a delisted free agent. I will update the 'Contracts' thread after pick trading closes in a few days and we know about the length of May, Preuss and Kolodjashnij contracts. Edit: Just heard we have done a pick trade with the Saints: 36 and 46 for their 28. So the above table is picks: 23, 28, 54, 62 etc Not a bad hand given our earliest pick was 36 ? Who knows there me still be a player trade to be done...certainly there are plans for pick 23 and 28!! Go Josh!!

There is a lot on here of Jessie's shortcomings. Many on here happy to pot him on his way out. I loved watching him play and he was an important part of our team while it was being rebuilt. He was our only key forward for a few years (Clarke and Dawes always injured). He deserves recognition for sticking around when he could have left and spent more time with his dad. Thanks Jessie for sticking with us during our tough times. All the best at Freo. Hope going home brings you the happiness you are seeking.

Yes, pre-recorded interviews - virtual live reality!!

Still looks fine to be - If 6 is acceptable to GCS for May and KK it doesn't matter that it isn't #5. Whatever gets the deal done.

This is the result when nothing of note happens in the trade period. Reporters just make stuff up! https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-whispers-young-fremantle-players-could-be-circuitbreakers-for-jesse-hogan-deal/news-story/6d5dbe87393d2fb06af54e56b7e89861 The excommunicated demon fan, Tom Morris hypothesises that a young gun Freo player might be part of the Hogan deal. It is an embarrassing article as it is so obvious he made it up (par for the course I guess).

Interesting that the Hawkes initially thought they would need to give a 1st round pick for HWSNBN. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-16/inside-story-why-scully-became-a-hawk-steal "The wider football public was already up in arms when it emerged this week that Hawthorn's third-round choice – No.53 overall – might get the job done, but even that was being too generous...This is a player who was an All Australian nominee in 2016 and 2017 and is considered the AFL's best two-way runner, someone who routinely covers an extraordinary 18km in game". One has to wonder about the background negotiations that led to a 3rd round pick instead!

For those wondering how we are going to fill our list vacancies: if the Hogan trade goes down as mooted (May, Kolodjashnij and #23) we will have 7 vacancies and 7 draft picks between 23 and 91. Options to fill vacancies: use the late picks to make rookies (Keilty and T Smith) senior players then replenish our rookie stocks in the rookie draft have a senior list of < 40 players (38 is the minimum) take delisted players, which don't require draft picks so some draft picks remain used. If 3. the unused picks can be traded to a team needing draft points for a higher pick. Pick trading can happen on Thur and Friday. Then again during the draft as we have Live Pick Trading this year. How many picks we take to the draft is yet to be seen but we have plenty of options to fill our list.

Geelong have lost the plot! "Geelong has turned up the heat on West Coast as it bids for Tim Kelly by demanding a future first-round pick be included in any trade for the contracted midfielder...AFL.com.au understands the Cats have asked for the Eagles' first-round selection in next year's draft in addition to West Coast's existing offer of picks No.20 and No.22". That will be Eagle's pick 15-18 in 2019 - effectively 3 low 1st round picks for someone who has played for one year. Kelly has been terrific but his longevity has not been tested. Think the Cats are dreaming!

Agreed, I kept quiet but was shattered when there were rumours on here that he might be up for trade. Couldn't cope with he, Tyson and Bernie going simulatneously!

That we are essentially replacing Hogan with a backman says Hogan is superfluous to our needs ie there really isn't a role for Jessie in our team. That there was talk of playing him in defence (with or without May) reinforces that. We are moving Jessie at the right time and three players for one: May, KK and #23 is a good deal. Assuming, we find a temporary/permanent solution to outside speed with who we have or get, there is every chance we will not have any real weaknesses in our team next year. Sure performances will vary but the team overall will be very strong.

" Port Adelaide – which hold picks 6 and 10 – and Adelaide (8 and 13) were both working on ways...to acquire pick five". https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/no-5-is-alive-as-sa-clubs-try-to-claim-local-talent-20181016-p50a10.html So who will end up holding pick 5: Lions, Freo, Demons, Suns, Port, Crows? I wouldn't put it past Freo to trade Neale for #5 + something (mooted to be a Coll 1st round pick for Beams), then cash in #5 with Crows/Power or keep it for themselves. Freo can't lose: Get Hogan on the cheap by offering a lower round 1 pick from the SA club (plus something) or take the SA picks to the draft.

This whole trade period has become a farce!! Deliberately holding back announcing deals for Foxtel is ludicrous. Not one deal of significance has gone thru. Pending: Shiel Wingard Scully Lobb Kelly Beams Neale Hogan May That is a lot to get done in a few hours. Wouldn't be surprised if they start filming at Noon to make sure the paperwork is done in time. Then edit it down to a few hours to make it 'interesting and to look 'live' but delay putting it to air.

How do you know - Mahoney was suggesting otherwise...

I agree. With 5 they will have 2, 3, 5, 19, 24, 29, plus some later picks. With the 3 state league players coming in they don't have enough list spots to use all their picks - at my last count they have 3 spots (after May and Kade K go). I can see one of 19, 24, 29 coming back to us for some of our back end 2019 picks (3rd/4th round). They are keen to get points for next year's academy players so that sort of pick swap really works for them. I am only guessing but this is what makes sense to get a fair deal on May and it helps GCS with their 2019 list management. As an aside, if anyone thinks we shouldn't help GCS it is worth remembering that they helped us get Oliver, even after Howe put a spanner in the works and detoured to Pies.

GCS Update on May and Kade: Cameron suggested Brisbane’s pick five, which could go to Fremantle for Lachie Neale before moving to Melbourne for Hogan, would provide the linchpin for any May deal...we’re at the end of that chain and we’ll wait and see what happens," he said. "We’ll get something done with Kade either today or tomorrow," Cameron said...If they come to us with something around Steven then it might be tied into that, that’s a fair way off as I said." http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-16/may-happy-to-move-to-a-victorian-club The key point for me is pick 5 is the linchpin for a May deal ie there will be other +/- . I read that as GCS adding to May with picks or player(s) depending on when it gets done.

I didn't take @Leoncelli_36comments as a criticism and its a reasonable question/concern. Mahoney said: “For our scenario, there’s a few of the bigger decisions that need to be made, and then other decisions will fall off the back of that.” http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-10-08/day-one-trade-wrap As the bigger decisions (Hogan/May) haven't been made we simply don't know what the 'other decisions' are (except maybe KK) so its fair to raise the question of what other deals are held up or will be missed.