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I think Tracc will stay but not because pies have no cap room - they lose Wells this year who was reportedly on $600k p.a. They also lose lesser players like Dunne. So will have the cap space to target players and they repeatedly get players without paying a premium. Tracc comes out of contract next year so if he is unhappy and puts off contract talks then it might be a different story.

Roos and Whately have strongly condemned Adelaide's external review respectivley saying it was 'alarming' and 'risky' and a 'flawed methodologhy'. Recent history is on their side with them quoting the most successful reviews are by insiders. eg Cook at Geelong, Murphy at Collingwood, Gale at Richmond. Crows External Review. Agree with them and I think Pert (with external/AFL input/feedback) and Mahoney are the right combo for us.

That third pillar is our downfall all over the ground which undoes our good work on the other two. We need to take a leaf out of Ratten's book that if you can't kick you don't play! Firstly, we need to teach our players how to be poised and composed before disposal. Firmly believe these can be taught. If they can't learn then they don't play.

But they do influence the financial strength of the club via memberships, game attendance, buying sponsor's products and buying merchandising. And # of members is a major determinant of FTA time slots which is important to sponsors to get TV exposure. Sure, our voice isn't loud but I do feel the club cares what supporters think as they have the 'power of the purse' so to speak and can walk away (and have shown they will) at any time.

Not sure which is worse us not asking about Papley or being told 'no thanks'.

In a way I'm glad Oliver has missed out. May take the chip off his shoulder and learn his effort needs to have an impact be it metres gained, goals, work rate, defensive work etc. He doesn't need to excel in all those of course but needs to really improve in some. He has work to before he is in the same class as those selected.

The 40-player squad Adelaide: Daniel Talia Brisbane Lions: Harris Andrews, Charlie Cameron, Hugh McCluggage, Lachie Neale, Dayne Zorko Carlton: Patrick Cripps Collingwood: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Adam Treloar Fremantle: Nat Fyfe, Michael Walters Geelong: Gary Ablett, Mark Blicavs, Patrick Dangerfield, Tom Hawkins, Tim Kelly, Tom Stewart GWS: Jeremy Cameron, Nick Haynes Hawthorn: James Sicily Melbourne: Max Gawn North Melbourne: Ben Brown, Ben Cunnington Port Adelaide: Travis Boak Richmond: Bachar Houli, Dylan Grimes, Dustin Martin, Dion Prestia Sydney: Dane Rampe West Coast: Jack Darling, Andrew Gaff, Shannon Hurn, Jeremy McGovern, Brad Sheppard, Luke Shuey, Elliot Yeo Western Bulldogs: Marcus Bontempelli, Josh Dunkley, Jack Macrae "...Three Giants are among the major snubs, with Stephen Coniglio (15 games), Lachie Whitfield (16) and Tim Taranto (22) all overlooked. Richmond's Tom Lynch, Docker Bradley Hill, Geelong's Mitch Duncan and Bomber Zach Merrett also missed out. Essendon, Gold Coast and St Kilda were the only clubs without a representative." all-australian-squad Cogniglio and and Whitfield didn't play every game but played enough to have a body of work to show they are better than some that were selected. Interesting that Brad Hill missed out...wonder if it affects his trade value? Just saw this in another article: "Ranked among fellow wingers, the three-time premiership Hawk is first for metres gained, first for score assists and first for score involvements. Champion Data also rates him third for uncontested possessions and fourth for inside 50s." It must be a bit of a lucky dip process by the selectors.

Unsurprisingly, only Max named. AA Squad Well done, champ! Can't say anyone else really deserved it. Oliver maybe but hate to say it plenty of excellent midfielders elsewhere.

For the first half Salem was one of our best three players. Then he had a concussion event (has had a few of those in the last few years). iirc he also had an ankle or leg injury around the middle of the year. For either or both of those injuries he missed two games. Looked to me like he was no where near his best physically in the second half, which affected his kicking accuracy/distance, decision making and running. But he still put in every week. Least of our problems and one of our real assets.

What makes you think the review is not completed? Afterall, Pert and Mahoney have been working on it since June. They are well prepared.

Very accurate on all counts. Interesting they have us at 9 o'clock to 'bounce back'. I assume in context of the title that means to make finals which most would agree with. Last year we had 14 H&A wins, two finals wins and end up 4th. People are claiming that was an aberration and our club is being overhauled as a result of 2019. To put to bed the '2018 was an aberration' claim we must make finals with 12/13 wins and win one final. If we don't, the review, coaching and other staff changes will be spoken of as a failure. We can't underestimate the repercussions of not getting back near our 2018 achievements for sponsors, memberships, FTA exposure, prime time slots and stand-alone facilities. Everyone is prepared to wait to see how 2020 pans out but fall too far short of 2018 then the fall out will be severe. I remember the joy and excitement of last September of getting finals tickets. The excitement at the G. The trip home after beating Geelong and Hawks. I want that again for me, for us and for our club.

Making finals is a low bar. You might be satisfied to simply make finals. Most won't. And, the club cannot afford to simply 'make finals'. Well, my expectation is to win a final and anything less will be a failure by the club. And the off-field staff changes that are to happen will also have failed.

And making finals in 2020 is supposed to be an achievemen? Winning a final is the minimum to claim we have improved and show that 2018 wasn't an aberration. It is the minimum for fans, sponsors, FTA time slots, fixtures etc etc. Anything less than winning a final and we will be a financial basket case again. And we can kiss good-bye to our own club facilities.

Agree it is rare for a club to not give in to a player. Geelong/Kelly was an example of the exception. Sure their refusal was only good for a year so the end result is the same.

Just for the record, Geelong refused to trade Kelly last year because he was contracted and couldn't get the trade value they wanted.

Click on his moniker to go to his profile page and then click on 'see their activity' on the right side of the page and the story will unfold.

Thanks for the contract info folks. I can't find any public advice from the club on those players. A poster reported that ANB signed four weeks ago but not released. Could be happening with others. Shall update table as and when the club makes public releases. If I miss them will be grateful to posters letting me know. Cheers

A solid hint from Goodwin that Max will be captain next year? "He's someone who has worked his way through to a space where he wants to be great. That's a great thing for our footy club to have someone who can pick up the boys that are coming through, lead them in the right way and demand the behaviours that we need to take this club forward again." Captain Max? Can't wait till it happens! As an aside, found his kicking boots today: 3.1. Great leading from the front!

Is this just posturing by his manager to get more $ or more years from the Dees. Knows it would be a bad look if we just let him go. Who blinks first?

Given your quirky sense of humour, I'm guessing that is in that vein. Just in case it is a serious idea, 'no' to co-coaches. My experience is two people can't effectively 'job-share' unless it is highly structured. Coaching isn't in that category. I'll clarify my comment in the post you quoted. Richo seems a genuine guy and given his background he would be great as development coach or as a senior assistant responsible for xxx. My negative comments are when it is suggested he be Goodwin's mentor or some hybrid mentor/senior assistant role ala Macca's first job at the club. Firstly, I doubt he has the right experience for the mentor role or to help Goodwin avoid 'rookie' pitfalls ala those made during our off-season and pre-season which Goodwin and Lewis have acknowledged. Secondly, the hybrid mentor/senior assistant role is an almost impossible role to make work: It means a senior assistant reports to the senior coach who gives advice, counsel to and holds him accountable. Whereas a mentor provides those things to the senior coach and holds. So with the hybrid, who really reports to who? What happens when they disagree. Who has the ultimate say? With Macca his hybrid role gradually changed where he no longer formally held the mentor role and became part of the coaching panel. Macca did a great job in the hybrid role for several years but in the end it broke down. A poster here I highly respect @Mach5and seems to have some insight into what happens at the club, posted in the McCartney thread: "It is about philosophical differences. Goodwin knows what he wants from McCartney; McCartney thinks there’s a difference between what he wants and what he needs." At the end of the day reporting lines and authority need to be really clear to the incumbents and the people who deal with them. Hybrid roles with blurred reporting lines don't fit that. But would like to wait and see what role Richo is actually given.

"The 54-year-old will be able to offer strong support to Simon Goodwin and help the growth of the whole coaching team". Meh! Hardly a track record in this capacity. Underwhelmed.

According to Wikipedia he was at the Pies for one year in 2007 as Development Coach and at Port, again for one year, as Senior Assistant/Coaching Director. I probably shouldn't comment further until I can see the article and there is an announcement.

Macca came in as development coach and mentor to Goodwin. Richardson seems a really honest, hardworking bloke but I just don't see that he has the credentials for the coach mentor part: He hasn't shown he can build a successful game plan. The saints list management was poor in his tenure. Doesn't have coaching finals experience and then a long time ago Hasn't been at a 'successful' club Hasn't had any non-coaching football roles. With that background I just don't see how he could guide Goodwin thru those areas and in particular help him avoid the pitfalls he fell into in the off-season. If we have a coach mentor/director role we need someone who has had some success, imv

Will be relieved if it is as a development coach. I see no success in his AFL coaching career spanning 15 years for him to be given other roles.

I think the article says that clubs that get AFL assistance, present to the Commission on a 'rotating basis'. It may just have been our turn or we may have been 'summoned' as you say because our year has been so bad. I agree we will probably post a profit this year. But I suspect the financial projections for 2020 don't look too good, especially if Jaguar don't sign up again. Loss of Bentleigh club pokie revenue (I think it is 2020), membership drop off, smaller crowds, and the sponsor impact of downgraded fixture and FTA time slots. So we may be asking for help on various fronts to ward off a nasty financial result in 2020. Edit: @Lord Nev just saw your post about 2020 revenues. Fully agree.