deelusions from afar

Hope a proper VFL season / comp next year allows the likes of Toby to show his stuff. From what I've seen, he's behind Chandler for the next small forward spot because even though he's probably quicker, Chandler's disposal is generally very good (at least at VFL level). Having said that, after training with Chocco for a year but having little opportunity to show his improvement, he could be a relevation next year if he gets a chance. It's easy to forget that this time last year there were plenty of doubts on Spargo, ANB and Kozzie - I don't think anyone would have thought they would all essentially play every game in 2021 to the point that none of them could be dropped for Toby / Chandler / Melksham.

As I was too young to remember 1987 - this puts into context how enormous the Stynes / Buckenara incident was against the hawks. 1st finals appearance since 1964, smashing our opposition in the first two finals, arguably our greatest ever player captaining us at the twilight of his career and turning it on, having the reigning premier the hawks on toast in the preliminary.... 94, 98, 2000, 2002, 2018 etc were hard enough but that 1987 year must've been something and really hurt! I'm so glad everyone on here who remembers that year (and the pain before and after) can now have tasted the ultimate success!

I know it was in jest but Eddie essentially got Athletics Victoria to move to build the Holden / Lexus Centre - well he was on the board of both and that was the outcome!

I agree - and I think perhaps the reason why the selflessness approach taken by the players this year worked so well was that that is how the coach has always approached his role - so they had a good leader / role model to follow. When the players speak up (particularly the stars) they always talk about how much they love goody and the impact he has had on them as a player and as a person. Yes it's in their interest to do so - but they seem to go above and beyond which to me indicates it is genuine.

Another interesting insight was that on matchday Burgo essentially managed who came on and off and when. Obviously there would be rules about how this works and much of it would be loosely mapped out prior to the game, but it's still a huge responsibility that can have a big impact if done well v done poorly. The 3rd quarter of the GF shows that!

I thought he wasn't meant to be quick?

An idea for someone who is involved in membership at the club: Could the club offer stickers (eg for your car) that has number of years of membership / consecutive years of membership. There will obviously be a lot of bandwagon supporters jumping on which is great for the club but I think most long terms members / supporters would love to be able to show they've been there the whole time.

I'm pretty sure there is something preventing a club stockpiling picks eg from 40-70 to use on NGA / FS. I'm sure someone else here can explain how it works

Can you explain how this would work. I get confused about the points system as I thought they have to have the same number of list spots as draft picks - to stop teams stock piling on late picks?

This seems interesting to me. Ladhams probably the best ruck prospect on the market and can play forward. To move from 16 to 12 - is that an indication that Port are keen on someone at 12 who won't last to 16?

Sorry if this is going off topic, but does anyone know how many other father-son or NGA there might be in the mix at the pointy end of next year's draft. Obviously very hard to know with lack of exposure. But it there's a few around, it might make sense to trade our other picks after 17 for future 2nd/3rd/4th round picks as they might have some added currency next year?

Would you try him as a ruck rover in the centre square. It might sound crazy / be a terrible idea... but that was the talk when he was drafted.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you - because how can anyone possibly know other than Roos / Taylor etc. Not meaning to short sell Roos - he's obviously played a central role to getting our club to where it is now. In my view it was he and Jackson that turned our club around when it was at its darkest days. At the same time he does have a bit of an ego and (I think) does have a history of spinning things to ensure he gets maximum credit. Oh course he's not alone in doing that - but I think he is a master at it. Why am I making a point of this? Because I think Roos talking about the influence he had on choosing Oliver undersells Jason Taylor and the whole scouting / list management team. Roosy no doubt has an eye for it - but for Taylor and co, it is their full time job. In terms of the articles from 2017 - I think anyone who watched Oliver in his first game get numerous centre clearances in the last quarter to get us over the line against GWS at the G would have known he was a special talent. Those at the club would have noticed the same thing much earlier. But you are right - I or we have taken this thread on a tangent. Whether it was Roos or Taylor or whoever - I don't really care - I'm just bloody glad we got Oliver when we did. And let's hope JT and co can turn pick 17 into gold in similar fashion.

I might be wrong, but these versions on Oliver are a bit different from what I'd heard previously. I've heard these comments from Roos and seen the quotes... but at the same time feel like Roos is re-writing a bit of history to give himself slightly more credit. My understanding was that Jason Taylor was VERY keen on Oliver and had been tracking him closely. He gave his tapes of the best options to look at and Roos watched Oliver's first and said he didn't need to see any others. Roos is making it sound like he picked Oliver out of nowhere - when what I'd heard previously was Oliver was very much in the frame prior to Roos gave his comments.

Obviously not a question that could ever be answered... but you wonder what could have been for a player with all the natural attributes that Sylvia had he arrived at the club now. Surely with the current culture and standards (and lack of messiah expectations), we might have seen a very different player / career from Sylvia that would have done his draft year comparisons to Voss / Ricchiuto justice.

Clearly I haven't seen enough of him... but whenever I've watched a game with Bobby Hill in it, he's done very little.

I think a key point is that we get a year of development into them - and this means so much more now that we are a successful team, with excellent development coaches and culture - arguably the best in the league. E.g. Bailey Laurie who hasn't played senior footy - but is in the system, has had work through rehab and has seen up close what it takes to make it into a successful side and for that side to win a premiership. Although its been an interrupted season due to covid and injuries, he is a long way ahead of the player that Brisbane will pick from this year's draft.

I wonder whether our decision to keep Majak is an indication that there's a reasonable chance that won't happen this year? I guess even if we did draft one, we wouldn't want them smashed in the VFL every week in any case.

I think this makes sense. With Tomlinson back it should give some flexibility too - Petty has also shown the ability to play forward as well as back. Whoever we draft should at least get a year in the system at Casey learning the game plan, developing the right habits so that they are ready to go if called upon. Exciting stuff!

If they don't take Mac Andrew at 3 they won't consider it - I've heard a few ppl say they are very keen on him.

That's true eg trade 37 and 49 to collingwood for 27? They would win slightly on points. But even if they wanted to do this... could they? I thought there was a rule about needing to have the same number of list spots available as picks you use for points to prevent teams from stockpiling like this? Assuming it was doable, what would 17 and 27 packaged up net you? On points it's equivalent to pick 7. But no team would do that. The only teams that I think might consider it would be Freo at 8 and GWS at 13 as they both have earlier picks.

I think Andrew will be gone long before our pick... but I'm intrigued as to how the system works. As in, we can only nominate him after the first 20 players are picked? Or after what was pick 20 has been used? What if a team with multiple picks between 1-20 use them on matching a bid (not sure if any club is in that situation)?

Yeah I don't think there will be gentlemen's agreements for the reigning premiers. Maybe not what we need but wouldn't say no if we could get him - he'd be coming into the best system with Gawn and Jackson and having Majak on our list would surely help as well.

I agree - surely he's one that would be on our radar. I reckon Jye Amiss could also be in contention. He's come from the clouds this year as a late bloomer but dominated WAFL Colts comp kicking 50+ goals. Given Jason Taylor spent some time in WA, could he be the one on our radar? Was also wondering if Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera could be another in contention - would add to the outside polish / class that (prior to this year) seemed to be our biggest weakness. We could become the Kysaiah / Nasiah show!

I think he re-signed during the finals?